[vanderZwan]

When you are a sculptor, you can (among other materials) use clay or marble.

With clay, you start with nothing and fill up the space until you get the shape you desire. With marble, you start with a slab and cut out the bits until all that is left is the statue you desire.

You're claiming that only one of these two things is sculpting, and the other is not.

[aminok]

The government doesn't own what we receive in private trade. Taxing what we earn is government intervention. This is the conventional understanding. What you're doing is what Orwell describes as doublespeak.

[vanderZwan]

> doublespeak

This is rich coming from someone equating financial intervention with violence.

[knucklesandwich]

This is classic libertarian bullshit. Ask them how they enforce private property and watch the web of insane bullshit about how market intervention is "violence" unravels. Hilariously, the newest trend in libertarian thought is to embrace something like feudalism without reservation, which is basically the inevitable consequence of a libertarian society.

[aminok]

Typical passive aggressive leftist bully talks to the crowd, over the head of the libertarian, instead of addressing the libertarian directly.

Way to go with the straw man arguments too.

Orwell on socialists:

>The first thing that must strike any outside observer is that Socialism, in its developed form is a theory confined entirely to the middle classes. The typical Socialist is not, as tremulous old ladies imagine, a ferocious-looking working man with greasy overalls and a raucous voice. He is either a youthful snob-Bolshevik who in five years’ time will quite probably have made a wealthy marriage and been converted to Roman Catholicism; or, still more typically, a prim little man with a white-collar job, usually a secret teetotaller and often with vegetarian leanings, with a history of Nonconformity behind him, and, above all, with a social position which he has no intention of forfeiting.

[knucklesandwich]

Yeah Orwell, the democratic socialist and Labour Party member, would have hated income redistribution programs. Orwell was anti-authoritarian, but he knew that the market left to it's own devices was just another incarnation of authoritarianism.

[aminok]

I never said he would have hated compulsory income redistribution. I was just showing that even Orwell recognized that socialist movements are dominated by people like the "youthful snob-Bolshevik" (looking at you).

Orwell was wrong about the market. There is nothing authoritarian about voluntary interactions between consenting adults, even if said interactions involve the exchange of (god forbid!) currency.

[aminok]

"financial intervention"

I would laugh if the ridiculous lengths you're going to in order to euphemize violence and imprisonment wasn't so fucking terrifying.

[nindalf]

Logic and coherence appear to be playing an ever decreasing role in your comments.

[aminok]

It looks logical and coherent to me..