[agumonkey]

I guess if you approach it as a "programming language" it's odd. I understood nothing of the syntax nor the semantics. But you have to admit that the way it relates different dimensions of a "program" is much more approachable than any IDE out there, in a way that is more "humane" I guess.

[zenobit256]

In what way is this more "humane"?

Programming languages by design are for human consumption. In what way is this "special" or "designed" for them?

[bloaf]

Here, I think you are wrong. I strongly suspect that while the high-level features of programming languages are chosen for human consumption, the implementation details and tooling are often chosen arbitrarily, or for machine-convenience. For example, I don't generally consider language environments where the leading white space on a line matters, or languages where trailing white space matters to be "designed for humans." Computers might be good at counting spaces, but we're mediocre at visually estimating the width of a blank area in text. Such an environment asks the user to develop more machine-like skills rather than attempting to accommodate their weaknesses.

[woah]

Or it asks the user to use tabs? Or an editor that inserts spaces when you press tab? Indentation has never been a stumbling block for anyone but the most junior of programmers.

[bloaf]

Sure, there are all sorts of ways to lessen the pain of syntactically significant indentation. Indeed, I'd say that the annoyance can be made sufficiently small that by the time someone is an experienced enough coder to recognize that the pain has always been communally self-inflicted, they're too used to it to care.

Do also note that I'm not saying that indentation is by itself bad.

http://1060nm.com/42/en/

[Pyxl101]

It does more of the heavy lifting automatically. For example, rather than having to explicitly build a data structure to keep track of events that have happened, or build some message bus to receive and react to them, Eve allows you to express the fact that you want to react to them, and its runtime takes care of the rest.

How well this scales and remains available, well, that's an implementation challenge, but the user interface looks very convenient. It is potentially a higher level of abstraction over current "high level programming", just as high level programming was over assembly.

[wyager]

What you describe is normally handled by any number of perfectly good libraries. The selling point here seems to be "we've thrown a bunch of random libraries together in the standard library", which isn't a super compelling argument to me.

[Pyxl101]

Could you share an example library or framework that allows a programming model similar to what they demonstrate in the video? I'd like to learn more.

I am aware of frameworks that can pass information around in similar ways, but only with a lot more ceremony of the sort that's not necessarily a benefit. Observe specifically the code blocks with "search" that react to events without needing to be connected in any direct way with event production; and event production doesn't need to involve data structures or storage.

Maybe this model won't work in applications of meaningful scale, but maybe it will.

[agumonkey]

How I see it, languages are only one projection of what a program is. The missing part is what confuses "normal" people (unlike people who spent long hours learning how to map things in their head). This project reminds me of AOP, old IBM multidimensional orthogonal concerns projects. You can go back and forth between different views of the program, that helps tremendously.