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by darawk 3530 days ago
I'd like to take this opportunity to enumerate some of the benefits of legalizing all drugs:

1. Instant 50% reduction in prison population. More than half of all prisoners are there for drug crimes [1]. It costs 20-40k/year to house a prisoner [2]. There are approximately 2.2 million prisoners the US [3]. That equates to an instantaneous savings of $6.6 billion.

2. Elimination of the DEA. Instantaneous savings of $2 billion [3].

3. Massive reduction in crimes that are caused by drugs. E.g. theft, assault, etc. Personally, i'd estimate that as making up the bulk of the other 50% of all crime. Of course, I can't back that up with any data, but it makes logical sense to me that the majority of crime that happens is in one way or another connected to drugs.

4. Drug cartels disappear essentially overnight. Yes, they might switch to kidnapping or extortion or something. But those are not hyperscale businesses. They would evaporate to the point of irrelevance almost immediately.

5. Street gangs disappear or dramatically lose influence. Why fight a turf war if there's no money to be made on the turf? Sure, some will still happen. But they'll be dramatically reduced and the ones that remain will be severely underfunded.

6. Police and the communities they serve will no longer be enemies. Drug use is a victimless crime, and people resent being shaken down and arrested on suspicion of drug dealing and/or using. If drugs were legalized, police would only arrest people who are antagonizing others. This would go an enormous way towards healing the divide between police and citizens.

7. No more impure, uncertain drugs. Things would be labelled correctly and their doses standardized. This should dramatically reduce accidental overdose deaths, and improve the health and wellbeing of addicts by eliminating the nasty stuff their drugs are cut with.

8. Reliable, cheap supply for addicts. Being an addict involves an enormous amount of wasted time and money. It's extraordinarily difficult to hold a job, because just getting the drugs takes lots of time, waiting, and exposure to risk. Now, there are other reasons it's hard to hold a job as an addict, but these are big factors.

9. Massive reduction in social stigma around addiction and drug use. This is a double-edged sword, of course. But I think on balance it'd be a good thing. It would make it easier and less shameful for addicts to seek treatment. Taking it out of the underworld would make families more aware of their member's possibly spiraling problems, and give them an earlier opportunity to do something about it.

10. The way i'd like this to be structured would be that the government would sell these drugs in unmarked shops at essentially their marginal cost of production (which is extremely low). They wouldn't advertise, obviously, and you could implement reasonable age controls by checking ID in a similar way to alcohol. Now, that system is imperfect obviously. But that's ok I think. It's not like kids don't have access to drugs now. Monitoring and maintaining open lines of communication with these people will allow them to be studied and given access to treatment options and help. They can be guided into jobs and offered medical help with detox.

I say all of this as a former heroin addict. It's easy availability would make it somewhat harder for me not to use it. On balance though, it seems extremely clear to me that it's the right thing to do. The synergy of all the policing/crime benefits would be extraordinarily profound. The enormous reduction in crime and improved relationship between police and their communities would make police even more efficient at stopping what remaining crime there is. It would not surprise me in the slightest to see something like a 75-80% reduction in all crime within the first couple of years.

That isn't even to address the benefits to narco-states like Mexico. There it would be truly transformative. Terrorism would lose its largest funding source [5]. Border patrol agents would stop facing well-funded adversaries. The civil war in Colombia would stop. Corruption in government would be reduced to standard corporatism. The list is just endless, and it's not like drugs aren't available now.

What, really, is the marginal harm of making them slightly more available, when weighed against all of this? In my opinion, the drug war and its effects are the greatest ongoing crime against humanity in the world right now.

[1] https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offen...

[2] http://thelawdictionary.org/article/what-is-the-average-cost...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Enforcement_Administratio...

[5] http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-financing/tracking-down-terrori...

2 comments

For the most part, I completely agree with you. I'm supportive of drugs being legalized and sold - even the drugs I wouldn't personally do. I do think your first two points are slightly flawed, however.

1. Instant 50% reduction in prison population. More than half of all prisoners are there for drug crimes [1]. It costs 20-40k/year to house a prisoner [2]. There are approximately 2.2 million prisoners the US [3]. That equates to an instantaneous savings of $6.6 billion.

It will cut new admittance to prisons. Anyone currently serving time would need their sentences pardoned or legislation passed that allows for their released. Over time, still savings.

2. Elimination of the DEA. Instantaneous savings of $2 billion.

We'll still need some enforcement of the controls we put in place, though we can do it through other branches -likely something like a combination of the FDA, USDA, and the ATF. Lesser cost savings, but much better sort of spending.

Furthermore, I'm definitely into having marked shops for some drugs. I think smoke shops/coffee shops (for pot and hash) would be an improvement to the culture and give some alternative to bars. I'm fine with some hallucinogens being sold in a marked shop - and anything else that proves to be about as safe. I'd also make sure anyone working in the shops - either marked or unmarked - had some training or have training levels - basic knowledge for cashier with more advanced knowledge person on premisis at all times.

> We'll still need some enforcement of the controls we put in place, though we can do it through other branches -likely something like a combination of the FDA, USDA, and the ATF. Lesser cost savings, but much better sort of spending.

Under a partial legalization regime, yes. Personally i'm thinking they should all be legalized, though. The drug shops can be self-funding by charging slightly above marginal cost.

> Furthermore, I'm definitely into having marked shops for some drugs. I think smoke shops/coffee shops (for pot and hash) would be an improvement to the culture and give some alternative to bars. I'm fine with some hallucinogens being sold in a marked shop - and anything else that proves to be about as safe. I'd also make sure anyone working in the shops - either marked or unmarked - had some training or have training levels - basic knowledge for cashier with more advanced knowledge person on premisis at all times.

Ya I agree. I'd like to see the 'less harmful' drugs, like marijuana and hallucinogens completely legalized. Like, you can buy them at 711 legalized. For 'harder' stuff like cocaine, meth, heroin, et al, i'd like to see them sold by the unmarked government-run drug shops that don't advertise or try to encourage consumption in any way. That feels like the best balance of interests.

For the first bit - I actually meant with full legalisation in government run shops with that. What you describe - I'm pretty fully in agreement with. Just details.

I mean, they'll have to have ways to verify potency in production. Heroin, if injected, will probably get some oversight like a drug. A infrastructure for the stores - I'd imagine in the states it'd be contracted out to someone private, but that still costs money. Spot tests for potency. USDA would wind up involved in the actual plant base: I don't know who covers imports from other countries where it is also legal. Then you have tax collection, cleanliness standards, and things like that.

Overall, I think it would save a good amount of money - especially when you consider 5-10 years out. The better part is that once it levels out some, the costs seem more are more predictable.

Edit: Accidentally deleted to much on a rewording, and added it back in.

I agree with the entirety of your post, but I'm unsure what can be done practically. Can you recommend an organization that is pushing for your positions? It may take a long time, but similar to marijuana legalization, it's gotta start somewhere.
I'm not as much as an activist as that post might lead you to believe, but a few organizations come to mind:

1. http://norml.org/ (National Organization for the Reform of Marijauna Laws)

2. http://www.maps.org/ (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies))

3. http://www.drugpolicy.org/ (Drug Policy Alliance, part of George Soros's Open Society Institute, I believe)

4. http://www.leap.cc/ (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)

They aren't all pushing exactly for my positions, but they're all pushing in that direction. And the further