[LeifCarrotson]

Things I don't particularly care about in a phone:

- Bezel size

- Weight

- Thickness

- Manufacturer-specific apps and skins

- Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes

- Fastest possible processor

Things I care about in a phone:

- Ability to make calls

- Battery life

- Replaceable battery

- Fits in my pocket

- Expandable storage

- Durable

- Decent camera

- Inexpensive

- Gets security updates

And what do the latest phones feature? Super-thin, super-light phones with consequently small batteries that are overburdened by enormous screens and processors that could run a laptop, and screens that would also fit a laptop. They cost $600 and more, when nearly-equivalent technology can bring the cost down to less than half that.

At least we're getting better cameras (though this would be easier with thicker phones) and waterproofing for durability. Wireless charging also seems to help with the longevity of the ports.

[justinhj]

Sounds like you'd be fine with a flip phone from 10 years ago and a small high quality camera. You don't seem to be the target audience for the latest smartphones.

[Leynos]

About 4 years ago, Sony Ericsson made an Android 2.3 phone called the Xperia Ray. It had a 3.7" 960x480 screen. I used it for 2 years (and again for another year after I broke the Huawei P6 I replaced it with). By the end of that time, it was really past its useable life. Not on account of build quality, battery life, or screen realestate. In all those respects it was fantastic, and still perfectly functional as a feature phone.

It started life as a perfectly servicable Android phone. A little on the slow side, but not drastically so. The main problem was its 384MB of backing store. By 2015, very few Android apps supported installing to the SD card, and Google Play Services managed to eat almost all of the available storage.

Ideally, I'd like a modern phone with the same size and build quality of the Xperia Ray, the phone that fits unnoticably into my pocket and survived countless falls onto hard floors. I don't think it even needs to be super fast. Just with enough backing store to function as a modern Android device.

And knowing that such devices are possible is the reason I don't agree with the "you'd probably be fine with a feature phone" answer.

At the moment, I'm using a Z5 Compact. It's a great phone with solid build quality, but it's still too big IMO.

[GFischer]

Quite a lot of people have asked me about a small but powerful Android phone, and there are none!

It's incredible, but all companies go in the same direction. In the very few instances when they do innovate, they go in really odd directions (curve displays, in-built projectors), but they don't address basic stuff like size or physical keyboard.

[geofft]

I switched to iOS for this reason - the iPhone 5/SE form factor is smaller than every Android currently on the market (and running a relatively recent version of Android).

My SE is 124 mm x 57 mm x 7.6 mm. My previous phone, a Moto E, was 125 mm x 65 mm x 12.3 mm. The Xperia X Compact mentioned in another comment is 129 mm x 65 mm x 9.5 mm.

[khedoros1]

I'm considering buying an Xperia X Compact. It's about the size I think I'd be happy with, Sony devices tend to have great development communities, and Sony itself provides a means to unlock the phone's bootloader, and to compile AOSP for the device.

Of course, it fails in the "cheap" dimension, and also on "size" and "replaceable battery" ones. Still, as far as things that would be considered compact in the current smartphone market, it looks like close to the only option.

[GFischer]

I recommended the Xperia Compact line to a coworker, and she says it's still too big. She wants it to fit comfortably on a woman's pocket. Something Motorola Razr-sized (about 20% smaller than the Xperia compact).

[khedoros1]

I can see that being a problem. Anyone that has tiny pockets and doesn't want to carry around a separate bag is mostly up a creek these days, even with phones that the market considers tiny.

[illicium]

That is because: powerful = power hungry = requires a large battery != small.

[megablast]

So you have never heard of the iPhone SE??

[Eiriksmal]

You know they make a few slick Android flip-phones, right? The newest generation of the Samsung Galaxy Folder was announced a few weeks ago. LG also offers one, the Wine Smart.

Personally, I fit your description to a tee. My phone is a Samsung Convoy 2 (the 3 and 4 are inferior) from ~5 years ago. My camera is a small Canon EOS 1200D/Rebel T5. Even the cheapo 18-55mm kit lens that comes with the camera takes better pictures than an iPhone 7.

The cheap camera paired with a cheap prime lens (I paid $90 for a CEF 50mm f/1.8 STM lens) results in jaw-dropping clarity and dreamy depth of field blurs that no phone will ever match--until we overcome the physical limitations of current camera technology requiring light to shine onto a sensor.

The Convoy 2 packs a camera equivalent to an iPhone 3G. It gets the job done fine in daylight, and is passable in dark settings. The LED flash is almost excessively bright.

Personally, I have no problem carrying both with me. The only time I'm surprised by something I'd like to take a high-quality picture of is of another car I see while driving. So even if I had a 2016-level smart phone, the picture's still going to mostly be of a dirty windshield and my car's A-pillar. (Plus, you know, the whole dangerous and illegal caveats.)

They make much smaller cameras than mine that still take great pictures. I suppose someone out there really does drag around both devices with them. I'd expect that number to increase somewhat as mirror-less interchangeable lens tech continues to rapidly improve.

[thro1237]

Can your camera fit in a pocket?

[Eiriksmal]

> They make much smaller cameras than mine that still take great pictures.

Mine can't, but there are dozens of great models that can, as I alluded to. http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/120768-best-compact-cameras-...

[colordrops]

There seems to be an implication that the poster still wants to run apps with a moderately sized touch screen, which you can't do with a flip phone. Also, no one wants to carry around two devices.

[izacus]

Huh, how did you conclude that?! Also who exactly is the target audience for modern smart phones? How do you determine that and why are millions of users around the world treated like they're a single demographic with uniform wishes?

[threeseed]

The target audience are people who aren't looking at replaceable batteries and upgradeable storage as deal breakers. Especially since there are better/popular alternatives for both i.e. powerbanks and wireless drives/internet. And the people who make that choice are the manufacturers who base their decisions on the general public i.e. product research.

So maybe you, the OP etc just need to understand that your requirements are niche and unlikely to ever be met in the more popular phones.

[geofft]

I ran with a flip phone for a while. I found the following downsides:

- No built-in mobile hotspot functionality, and no 4G/LTE

- No ability to use messaging systems other than SMS (Google Hangouts, Slack, etc.) except for maybe a few whitelisted ones

- No mobile maps

None of these would have been a dealbreaker 10 years ago, since no phones supported mobile hotspots or 4G or LTE, people either used SMS or some IM system that your phone did support (e.g., AIM - although AIM also had a pretty good SMS bridge, back in the day), and nobody expected you to have maps on your phone. Today all of those expectations are different.

[paulddraper]

What part of his list is incongruous with checking email or using Facebook?

[ams6110]

That he didn't list those things?

[izzydata]

I doubt most people that own expensive smartphones utilize them and could do with much less.

[yoz-y]

I am quite sure they use them at least for the camera, facebook, instagram and the odd game. Why would they not want to get decent performance?

[aembleton]

With Android there is such a huge choice of different phones that you can find one close to the one you'd like. Many people would like a thin high resolution display and don't care about many of the things you care about. They can buy different phones to you.

Personally, I agree with your requirements and as a result have settled for the 2GB version of the Moto G (3rd gen) http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g_(3rd_gen)-7247.php

Sadly, the 4th generation isn't waterproof. So far I'm happy with it and as is it is close to stock should get updates sooner.

[mey]

After Motorola got sold to Lenovo by Google, I have not recieved a single software update for my moto x 2014

Killed the brand in my eyes

[pjmlp]

Google is no better for their own phones with their 2 year update window.

And good luck if a manufacturer decides to breach contract, e.g. TI, they won't enforce the updates.

[mey]

This honestly in general has me leery of Android as an ecosystem in general. I also don't like iOS's approach in other realms either. So it's essentially stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[Laforet]

In general avoid obscure models, more popular hardware generally have much better community support and development. Having an unlockable bootloader is a bonus but not essential in all cases.

[mey]

That's why I bought a Motorola flagship phone when they were owned by Google, with very few custom OS changes beyond ASOP... I've been bitten at least once by most mfgs at this point, HTC, Motorola, Samsung.

[smnscu]

The hardware is great, especially given the price, but I've never seen so many weird bugs and glitches (it's my first Android phone, funny enough). I've repeatedly had photos not saved, or corrupted, or otherwise other stuff fail randomly (my favorite is "Unfortunately, Android System has stopped"). The karate chop motion for the flashlight is brilliant, but triggers very randomly. Overall you just get an annoying feeling that you can't rely on this phone. My next phone will most likely be running iOS again.

[mastazi]

Are you using an SD card? Try replacing it, that may be the culprit. I'm saying that because:

1- Those seem to be storage-related issues

2- I've had that phone for a long time and the only issues I had were due to a HW failure in my SD (which I then replaced).

Also, when you insert a new SD choose the "portable storage" mode because in my experience it tends to be more reliable.

[XJOKOLAT]

Totally with you. Easily the best phone I've had. Unbelievably durable (I cracked 2 HTC and 1 iphone screen before this), waterproof, does the job I need it to do. Not ugly. Inexpensive. Reliable. Hope it lasts forever. It's so durable, it might.

[geofft]

> With Android there is such a huge choice of different phones that you can find one close to the one you'd like.

Except that that variety seems to be disappearing. The smallest Androids on the market are larger than the iPhone 5 / SE. The only Android currently on the market with a keyboard is the BlackBerry Priv, which is pretty high-end (and awkwardly sized). There are very few phones with removable batteries. And so forth.

[usaphp]

> "replaceable battery"

Can you tell me what is a practical use of a replaceable battery, I've had iPhones for many years and battery does not go bad. Also if in 2+ years you decide to change a battery I doubt you can find an original batter, and will end up with a cheap knockoff which might not work at all.

> "weight"

Heavier phones directly impact usability and even handling in your pocket, holding it while reading will tire your arm sooner, handling it in a pocket will make it look ridiculous by pulling your pants down

[baldfat]

> I've had iPhones for many years and battery does not go bad. Also if in 2+ years you decide to change a battery I doubt you can find an original batter, and will end up with a cheap knockoff which might not work at all.

All batteries go bad. Science

I always go over the 2 years and for $20 I can buy a Duracell Battery that gets me back to the original life. Lithium Batteries Apple or not ALL Lithium batteries last about 300 to 500 charges.

"Rechargeable Lithium-Ion batteries have a limited life and will gradually lose their capacity to hold a charge. This loss of capacity (aging) is irreversible. As the battery loses capacity, the length of time it will power the product (run time) decreases." http://www.newark.com/pdfs/techarticles/tektronix/LIBMG.pdf

[tirant]

That is not up-to-date information that you have. You can find plenty of batteries keeping 80% of the original charge after 1000 cycles or more.

[enraged_camel]

Yep. I have a mid-2011 MacBook Air and the battery still lasts 3-4 hours, which is reasonably close to the original specs, especially considering 5 years of constant, everyday use.

[Fricken]

At 1000 cycles my 2 year old Note4 battery probably still held 80% of it's charge, but it's my go to internet/entertainment device and I charge it 2 or 3 times daily. All the sudden 1000 cycles isn't that many cycles- but who cares when the battery is replacable? This phone should be good for 2 more years so long as I don't drop it in the toilet.

[kbenson]

> I've had iPhones for many years and battery does not go bad.

Sometimes it's not about going bad, it's about quick recharge. You can have a backup battery charged and ready for a quick swap. There are portable batteries that charge your main one now though, so the need for this is somewhat mitigated.

[usaphp]

Since his comment mentioned that he does not care about weight and thickness then batter cases is a perfect solution for that, it's easier to purchase a battery case then an original replacement batttery

[kbenson]

Well, in fairness, I think the original comment was meant more to imply that small changes to make it slightly faster, lighter and thinner weren't that important (but a few iterations of that can add up, so I think it's important, even if I don't always opt for that in my new purchases), not that they didn't matter at all. That said, a battery charger is superior to a replacement battery in that it doesn't require a restart, it may be large enough to recharge more than once, it can charge many types of phones/devices, and it can have a nonstandard shape. It's inferior in some ways as well, since it requires being attached for some period to charge the original phone (which can be impractical or annoying in some circumstances).

Also, another important aspect of a removable battery is that some people like it for privacy. If you can't remove your battery, you can't really assume your phone is truly "off". Even if you can, if you really care about that, you would wait a while to make sure any small internal batteries/transistors have used what power they could hold. Other than that, I'm not sure of a way to ensure the baseband processor isn't on[1].

1: http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_syste...

[fwn]

No. Batteries cost next to nothing. Back in the days I had three additional batteries for my Galaxy S 2 and it was amazing. Others in my team frequently needed time at a charger while I could go from 0% to 100% in a minute while on the go.

The batteries came with a charger and were around 10 Euro each.

[usaphp]

So you carried those three additional batteries with you all the time? Honestly how many times a day do you charge your phone? Most phones last full day and I dont have a problem plugging it in at the end of the day to the outlet, instead of carrying a set of batteries with me.

[jff]

Three batteries in a backpack pocket will take up about the same amount of space as a wall-wart plus cable.

[dom0]

> Most phones last full day

I always have to chuckle when that comes up.

[lips]

I carried a G1 with two spare batteries when doing documentary work. It was lovely. I didn't have to hunt for outlets or deal with using the phone while plugged into a battery pack.

If the phone is a widely used model, it's often not difficult to find new-old stock for a while.

I gave this list of "not cares" a several year window of context. It's pretty obvious OP doesn't want a bag-phone, but might be perfectly happy with the form factor of an iphone 4/5. Not a novel complaint.

[usaphp]

Did you tape those batteries to your phone? How did you carry them with you all the time?

[dom0]

The invention is called "pocket" and/or "bag". I think the patents have expired though...

[rubber_duck]

You can buy a portable charger, not as convenient but also designed for carrying around unlike batteries (honestly carrying around an unprecedented fully charged battery in pockets (bag or clothes) sounds dangerous)

[Laforet]

It's not quite like E-cig users and their naked 18650 cells.

[pix64]

No more dangerous than keeping your phone in your pocket or bag.

[evo_9]

Your personal needs are vastly different from the actual market; otherwise what you desire would be more aligned with what manufacturers are making.

It's easy to think manufacturers ignore what the market wants but this is rarely the case. The phones being offered are more or less what people are asking for.

[izacus]

Talking about "market", when you only a choice few similar phones for each platform is kind of pointless. To have a normal market that responds to customer wishes, you first need to have customer choice for them to vote with the wallet.

Mobile phone market isn't that - modern platform lockin makes switching platforms extremely hard, forcing customers to give up major benefits if they want to "vote with the wallet". For example, if you're an Apple platform user, you have a choice of a few form factors which are very similar. Swithing to another platform will cost you a lot of money (rebuying apps, rebuying connected hardware like Apple TVs and similar to retain functionality) and cause you significant hassle. For that people aren't going to just switch to another device/platform just because some properties are annoying them. Platform lock-in does its job well.

Talking about market in these conditions is not really realistic, since "the market" can't respond to product features like capitalism demands for best customer satisfation.

[cocktailpeanuts]

I am pretty sure the market wants more battery life than "no bezel design", if they thought rationally, and was made to choose only one.

It's rather because of the return on investment. From a company's point of view they want to invest as little effort as possible to generate as much effect as possible. Going from 8 hour battery life to 10 hour wouldn't turn the needle for most people, but having a sexy design or a cool new feature would.

So even if they make a breakthrough making a thinner battery, they would rather use that space to pack something else in, instead of making the battery last longer.

People do want longer lasting batteries. In an ideal world the companies may make that happen, but in a real world where there's competition, that's not easy.

This is clearly a different issue from "what the market wants". In reality, you don't always get what you want.

[JustSomeNobody]

> So even if they make a breakthrough making a thinner battery, they would rather use that space to pack something else in, instead of making the battery last longer.

This is exactly what happens in the laptop market. We used to have 6 cell batteries, but because battery density has increased so much, we now only have 3 cell batteries. (Well, actually, we don't as they are more shaped to fit super thin chassis now.) Nevertheless, we the consumer have not benefited in battery life due to the increases in battery density. We have benefited from more efficient chipsets and screens, though.

[dom0]

Actually it's more like 50:50 between improved energy density in batteries and "other stuff" - most importantly "better" CPUs and smarter power management in other hard/software.

The battery in the laptop used to write this comment could power most "ultrabooks" (or it's direct successors) for >24 hours (that is, from the claimed battery life of the newer devices)

[threeseed]

> if they thought rationally,

Because buying something because it looks/feels good is irrational.

Makes sense.

[CaptSpify]

Is that true? The way I see phones being sold aren't because people are choosing one feature over another, it's they have to live with the best "set of features". Usually this means they are stuck choosing the less-terrible phone, rather than a phone that they actually want.

[kbutler]

> Your personal needs are vastly different from the actual market; otherwise what you desire would be more aligned with what manufacturers are making.

An economist sees a $100 bill on the ground, but refuses to pick it up because if it were real, someone else would have already taken it.

[geofft]

Kind of. Manufacturers make what the market wants, weighted by price. It's harder to justify a high margin on a smaller phone. A phone without a replaceable battery, or one that gets damaged more easily, brings in revenue.

[sumitgt]

You might want to add "Doesn't explode" to the second list these days. :)

[yakult]

The point of small bezel is that you can fit a bigger screen onto the same form factor, which is a definite win.

I agree that battery life is underappreciated, but not about the replaceable battery - again, nonreplaceable means you can squeeze in a bigger battery in the same FF.

I personally don't play mobile games, and I feel that outside of gaming the demand for faster CPU and more ram has basically plateau'd. My perfect phone would be bezelless, big power efficient screen, huge nonreplaceable battery, midrange power-efficient SOC, and tweaked software to give even more battery life. The camera should be good enough for taking pictures of typed text but is otherwise an afterthought.

[tdkl]

So when they make this "Homer's phone" [1], it will cost 1000$ and will sell in hundreds. Good luck finding a company to place that bet.

[1] https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/the-homer-i...

[agumonkey]

As others said. Things people care about are not what people end up buying. Follow the money.

[teekert]

The latest flagship phones feature those things. You are more a MotoG, perhaps Experia compact type of person. No problem, just ignore the flagships and get on with your life.

[Drdrdrq]

I can vouch for Xperia compact, and my needs are similar to his. Decent battery life (almost as good as with old dumb phones), not much crapware (compared to Samsung that is), android support for older phones. I think X3 just lost its updates (with X6 available).

[microtonal]

They fail on timely security updates.

[Steko]

> - Bezel size

> - Weight

> - Thickness

> - Fastest possible processor

I'm calling shenanigans on these. Lots of people talk about not caring about these things but in my experience absolutely everyone appreciates larger screens, thinner and lighter devices and more capable processors.

[exergy]

Not all people. Windows phone used to be a great example of needing only a decidedly mediocre processor to do fantastic things. It used to be great for the "use it and then put it back in pocket asap" sort of lifestyle that I try to adopt. Until they shat all over it.

[Steko]

I'm not saying you can't do fantastic things with a mediocre processor. I'm saying there are fantastic things you can't do with a mediocre processor and people appreciate those whether they connect the experiences to the processor or not. Opening websites faster is something everyone appreciates.

[celticninja]

you should probably have a look at xiamoi phones then, they dont really go for the super thin, super expensive phone. the redmi note pro 3 is approx $150, has a 4000mah battery, decent processor, good camera, average screensize and you can run cyanogenmod to ensure security updates.

no wireless charging or waterproofing as yet but it does come with an inbuilt IR blaster which helps if you have many remote controls which go missing from time to time.

[nogridbag]

Bezel size does matter. For example, the Xiaomi Mix is the same size as the iPhone 7 plus while having a much larger display:

https://xiaomiprime.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/cvmy91svmaip...

But I tend to agree with most of these points. I personally wish the new Pixel phone was more like the Moto Z Play.

[ktsmith]

I agree that bezel size matters but not for the reason you mentioned. When I hold a phone or tablet in landscape mode I need a place to comfortably be able to have a portion of my hand touch without interacting with the screen. The iPhone, iPad and now Google Pixel all have larger bezels at the top and bottom which are perfect for having your thumbs or another part of the hand touch without interacting with the app you are using. This can make reaches into the interactive area a little larger but I think it's worth it to avoid accidental presses which software has been pretty bad about detecting so far.

[threeseed]

Apple has been very good with the iPad Pro at detecting and eliminating false touches using machine learning models.

[ktsmith]

The iPad Pro is a different beast entirely than the iPhone or the iPad or iPad Mini. I think the use cases are fairly significantly different and so it can make more sense to change bezel sizes and other things about it. That being said I don't find the iPad Pro, in my admittedly somewhat limited use, to be particularly good at detecting accidental presses and so the majority of my use has been with it on a surface.

[esarbe]

Since no one mentioned it before; you might want to give the Fairphone 2 a try. Granted; it's not exactly inexpensive. But at least it's a premium paid for social and environmental benefits. It's built to last, to be repaired and does all you'd expect from a phone.

[thro1237]

I use a Xiaomi Note 3. Decent 16 MP camera, the battery lasts a good 3 days. Fits in my pocket. Dual Sim. Expandable storage. I bought it for approx $200. http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_note_3-7863.php

[njharman]

My delta

+ weight + costs < $100

- replaceable battery - expandable storage - decent camera (I've never had phone camera that wasn't good enough so assuming my decent is below your decent)

Desires differ. Data sample of one is meaningless. What is your point in posting your very individual ones? Are you claiming some sort of universal set?

[izacus]

> Desires differ. Data sample of one is meaningless. What is your point in posting your very individual ones? Are you claiming some sort of universal set?

Perhaps the fact that the market consolidated to the point where it doesn't offer any choice to the consumers so they could vote with their wallets.

Also he never claimed any of the things you're asking him O.o

[Mithaldu]

Bezel size matters to me.

I'd like to have enough of it to be able to grab the phone solidly by the sides without activating things on the screen.

Making it smaller is sheer insanity, unless you're only targeting people who lay their phone in one hand and operate it with the other.

[jshevek]

I'm not sure where Samsung and Xiaomi are with this, but software can be used to accurately evaluate whether touches near the bezel are intended as UI events (vs simply holding or picking up the phone).

[edgall]

In other words, a Nokia 3310 plus a camera and storage?

[khedoros1]

Presumably, that would fail "Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes". I think that they're saying that the screen matters, but that FHD/QHD isn't a requirement. Of course, I'm looking through the lens of what I'd like in a phone.

They seem to like waterproofing and wireless charging as well, and at least the charging isn't usually available on the old candy-bar phones.

Personally, I'd love something like a flagship-style phone, but with a 4.5" 720P screen. For the most part, such a beast doesn't exist, and the next question is "what can I compromise on to find a phone that actually exists?" The comment you responded to seems like they're trying to answer the same question and coming up with "null set". It's a frustrating situation to be in, when the market moves away from building the tool you'd like.

[izacus]

Yep, my Xperia Z5compact is the only device I've found that comes close, but even this one has some frustratingly annoying software bugs, camera issues and lack of updates :/

[khedoros1]

I said in another comment that I'm looking at an XC. Z3C is older than I want to go, and the common opinion about the Z5C seems to be that it was 2 steps forward and 1.5 backward. I'm encouraged by a lot of the community's work on Sony phones, and how Sony seems to embrace unlockable bootloaders. It gives me hope that I could provide support for my phone even after Sony abandons it.

[tdkl]

Unlocking the bootloader means loosing the DRM keys forever which results in worse camera. Also binaries are the issue for custom ROM support - as usual for Android.

[khedoros1]

You're preaching to the choir. If I had a better option, I'd go for it, but I really want a phone with a screen smaller than 5" to be the next one I buy. A few years ago, I went from a Galaxy Nexus (4.65") to a Nexus 5 (4.95", and sharp edges), and the thing I wanted most at the time was the internals from the new phone in the chassis of the old one.

These look like my options:

- Go for the comfortable-sized Sony and eventually degrade the phone to keep up with security updates.

- Go for the Sony and eventually take the chance that someone exploits an unpatched security hole.

- Go for something like an S7 or Pixel that are a few mm larger than the Nexus 5, paying more for a device with worse size but (hopefully) better support.

I'm in a tiny minority, interested in an increasingly-niche category of hardware.

[izacus]

Sadly, due to late and lacking sales of Z5c in USA, the modding community is pretty dead. Also bootloader unlock breaks camera due to DRM so that's out :/

[khedoros1]

Yeah...I saw that they didn't have an official Cyanogenmod for it, while the Z3c does. I'll admit that my impressions of the Sony modding community probably date mostly from the Z3 era.

It seems like the camera just loses some low-light noise reduction functionality, right?

[SparkyMcUnicorn]

Last I heard, wireless charging wore out batteries a lot faster. Is that still the case?

[ardit33]

Typical useless negative HN comment/rant. Haven't had your coffee yet?

If you don't like the current trends you can still buy older versions, even feature phones: https://www.att.com/cellphones/lg/b470.html