[VLM]

He means on HN (the internet as a whole) and so forth.

You and I know that /DIY/ (what it sounds like) and /OUT/ (as in outdoors, camping and stuff) have nothing to do with /POL/ the venn diagram is a near perfect non-overlap.

Also /hc/ and /s/ (both NSFW) are supposedly politics free.

/DIY/ and /OUT/ are possibly the last refuge on the entire internet from marketing shills and paid reviews and all that kind of corruption near omnipresent on the internet.

[qwertyuiop924]

I haven't seen to many marketing shills on HN.

Outside of the dedicated marketing shill startup threads, that is.

[VLM]

In general yes. But also in specific context of /DIY/ and /OUT/ I have no idea where to go on the internet other than 4chan.

Take for example router tables. Imagine a normal web discussion group. I've never used anything but a Kreg table so my brain is wired Kreg so if all you got is a hammer the whole world looks like a nail. Or someone who wants to tie their name to money can brag about his Incra which he may or may not have (they're like $2K) and it better be the best thing ever if it costs more per pound than solid silver. Then the guy who always gets all signally rants off that most of the results are in the operator skills with the implication that we're the noob and he's the educator when everyone knows that, and the whole point is to min-max the non-operator skill issues. Yeah yeah I know you gotta know which part of the router is the spinny part but I'm more interested in who sells a table where simple adjusting the router height doesn't require contortionist work or where the dust collector actually works as opposed to looks cool. And then people who are just trying to help who point out walmart has some Chinese thing that isn't even flat on sale, as if something thats not even fit for sale is worth considering if its cheap enough. And then the marketing droids descend into the mix at the same time, and oh its just awful.

But if you go to /DIY/ and find the router table thread, you'll get the real story and no BS. Well ... and some screwing around and amazing language it is 4chan after all, and there's probably 50 threads with about 10 threads worth of real content spread across the 50, but its only fair that if you're paying nothing and there's no middleman to shill that you're going to have to invest some time to think about it. 4chan is honest there is no free lunch if you really want to learn you have to put in the analysis time.