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by jjnoakes 3523 days ago
> How can that possibly be true? A web app can appear in a search engine. A native app's website can appear in a search engine and in a platform App Store.

Because when I come across a web app in a search engine, I can click it, use it instantly, evaluate it, and decide to stay or leave, all within seconds. No checking if the app I found supports my platform, no click-through to my native app store, no download and installation process, no delay, instant feedback.

> because "clear your cache and reload the page" has been said by no frustrated support/technical staff, ever?

Not sure I follow. Are you asserting that native apps are easier to update than web apps?

> If your browser on your platform is supported. And you have the right version.

The combinations are smaller than the combinations of operating systems and phones one would have to worry about.

> This is a joke, right?

Is this a good way to have a productive conversation?

> Did you suddenly forget all the huge leaks of massive amounts of information from hacked web apps?

Do you think only web apps communicate with servers?

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> Not sure I follow. Are you asserting that native apps are easier to update than web apps?

I'm saying the processes are more robust. You either have the old app or the new one. You're never left with half of each, and you aren't beholden to random caches about whether or not you get the update.

> The combinations are smaller than the combinations of operating systems and phones one would have to worry about.

That can't possibly be true. Most platforms have more than one browser available, and with the exception of Microsoft, browsers don't have a "use x.y.z version rendering" like platform sdks.

Edit: unless you're taking the approach of: it works with this specific platform device running browser X, so it must work with all others running X. In which case, why not take the same approach to native apps?

> Do you think only web apps communicate with servers?

Where did I say that? Nowhere.

Web apps must contact servers and any remotely useful app will have all its storage server side.

In addition, web apps rely on servers to deliver the very thing the user sees and interacts with. UI spoofing has become such an issue browser vendors are reverting back to make it harder for web pages to present native looking dialogs etc.

Native apps can operate in a client server model, but a great deal of them don't need to because their use case is for local work, and even those that do, are merely transferring data over that channel. They aren't dependent on the same channel for the very interface the user sees.

Claiming that web apps are more secure is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time.

> I'm saying the processes are more robust.

I disagree. I think updating a web app is vastly more robust. You update the source, and the only possible issue you have is caching and platform compatibility (the former is a real issue, the latter is mostly alleviated by decent testing).

Updating native apps (due to the next point) is much more problematic because the number of platforms is much higher.

> Most platforms have more than one browser available

Yeah but you can't multiply the number of browsers times the number of operating systems, because Firefox on Linux and Firefox on Windows and Firefox on Android and Firefox on MacOS are (for 99% of the apps) the same target.

> Claiming that web apps are more secure is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time.

Are you interested in a real discussion? Or just posturing?