[jacquesm]

> followed by the incoherent position that foreign spying is only acceptable when the citizenry of the foreign target agrees with it.

Foreign spying on citizens of another country is not ok, period.

Domestic wiretaps/monitoring and so on are acceptable if and only if a judge signs off on it.

Governments spying on each other is acceptable as long as it does not devolve into spying on the rest of the citizens of that country wholesale.

In other words: ordinary citizens should be left alone, if you decide to join the government you're raising the stakes and you should be aware that you will become a 'person of interest' for many other parties.

I hope this clear up my position in a way that there is no room for mis-interpretation.

I'm sure EU governments spy on each other and I'm also sure that EU government officials are aware of this particular fact if only because they themselves are also engaging in it, so nothing of value was communicated with that particular example.

[tptacek]

I can't even tell where we disagree anymore. I think we're mostly just haggling over terminology at this point. So I'ma peace out of this now.