[nickpsecurity]

"One of the biggest beefs I have with Europeans who take issue at NSA spying on the EU is the misconception they have that their own spy agencies aren't doing the same thing to everyone else: us, Russia, China, and other states in the EU."

Same thing I kept telling them on Schneier's blog, etc. They sure aren't building those spy buildings as art projects. The worst part is that info on whose involved in spying agreements, even whose in "no-spy" agreements, is so public we have much of it in one Wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

Then there's the espionage documents talking all the cases where foreign countries were spying on us. Then there's the Snowden files showing that basically every European country was partnered with NSA spying on who knows who (probably Europeans) with exceptions being Iceland, Switzerland, and maybe one other country (don't recall).

A teacher of mine used to say that people often point a finger at others but are pointing at least three back at themselves as they do so. Europeans are doing it with both hands.