[antiufo]

That's some cartman-level trolling. It's of course not my job to distinguish true and false trans people ("no true Scotsman") but if you're a stereotypical male in all senses, it makes very little sense to use that label. (Disclosure, genderqueer trans woman here)

[ewr24]

I am serious.

There is no such thing as "stereotypical male in all senses", everyone is gender-fluid . Most men were called a "pussy" or "not a real man" at some point.

People come from different backgrounds. In my country people often changed their religion or race, not doing so would bring unpleasant consequences. For example my parents become atheists to get a decent jobs. Some people are also distracted by feeding family.

"Being diverse" is simply just another job requirement for some people.

I personally spend one year at military outpost in mountains. I would be very happy to give-up my "male privilege", and wear tutu with tiara on public for that year. Work visa in US would be similar case...

As trans woman I would be outraged, that I am treated as lesser woman (exclusion from sport events, included in Selective Service, exclusion from women's prisons...). Not that more people choose to identify as trans.

[antiufo]

> There is no such thing as "stereotypical male in all senses", everyone is gender-fluid. Most men were called a "pussy" or "not a real man" at some point.

Pardon, in all or most senses. The point is that masculinity is often seen as an arms race. Most men feel outraged if/when they are called pussies (or compared/associated with something seen as feminine/"weak"). Other people have opted out of that arms race and, whether they are male or female, don't feel obliged to obey the gender roles about their clothing/style/personality (or their bodies).

> everyone is gender-fluid

Say that to your average transphobic/antifeminist "activist". Do I fear being discriminated by people like them in the job/housing market, or harassed? Yes. Does it matter whether they are themselves people without self-acceptance? Not much. Just like it makes little difference to be discriminated about homosexuality by a fully heterosexual person, or by a repressed bisexual/homosexual person.

> military outpost

Yeah I think military draft should be either mandatory for all genders, or optional for all.

Edit: formatting

[ewr24]

There is sort of heroic stereotype of "real men" from the past. And today most men have some feminine traits, and do not fit well into that stereotype. Here is sort of example: http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/rod-eccles/where-have-all-...

The point is the fact they were called "pussy", not the outrage. There was some feminine trait for which they were called 'pussy".

> Other people have opted out of that arms race and

Majority of people have opted from traditional gender roles. Marriage is at all time low.

> don't feel obliged to obey the gender roles about their clothing/style/personality (or their bodies).

I assume you are talking about LGBT, more specifically trans. By being trans you are expected to follow another gender stereotype (clothing, style, personality). All trans are expected to overcompensate; wear similar makeup, hairstyle, have mild depression, have certain political opinion. Also being trans should be a result of deep existentialist crisis...

50 years old guy with a beard, truck, wife and kids. Guy who become trans for some trivial reason (job, avoid draft), does not fit well into this gender stereotype. And he should not be a trans (but in theory he has a right to be).

> Say that to your average transphobic/antifeminist "activist".

It depends how you phrase it. Those groups have a folklore about gender-fluid women (hairy feminist). And most guys will agree they are not "men enough" to marry.

> Do I fear being discriminated by people like them in the job/housing market, or harassed?

Guys after divorce have a similar problem. It depends a lot on a vibe.

Rest of the comment is pretty loaded. Feminist interests are not always aligned with trans-gender interests (military service, prison rape..)

[antiufo]

> Majority of people have opted from traditional gender roles. Marriage is at all time low.

Machismo and sexism still play a significant role, especially in some cultures. But still you can't of course compare the discrimination/harassment received by trans people to those of unmarried, straight cis people.

> All trans are expected to overcompensate; wear similar makeup

This makes me wonder about the actual number of trans people you know IRL

> gender-fluid women (hairy feminist)

Straw man?

> Feminist interests are not always aligned with trans-gender interests (military service, prison rape..)

Are you talking about gender equality (eg. military service for all or none, feminism) vs gender-segregated rules/facilities (eg. no mandatory military service for trans, in addition to cis, women)?

The fact that prisons are divided by gender is because it's unfortunately well known that there exists a group of people that is statistically more prone to violence and harassment towards the other half of the population (I'm talking about men and women). Trans women are statistically much closer to this latter population, so it definitely makes sense not to include them with the first group.

[collyw]

Have a look at the comments in a Guardian article on trans-gender issues. Many of them say pretty much what the OP did.

[alimw]

Better idea: never look at the comments under any Guardian article.