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I only have about 4 years off and on experience with powdered leaf but would never touch the extracts. It is similar to the difference between having a single beer and drinking vodka straight from the bottle.

Kratom has helped me a lot with sticking to an exercise routine and sleep. I try to never exceed 8 grams of powdered leaf a day. When I hit that, I taper off and take a break for 1-2 months.

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how does your tapering schedule work? If you don't mind me asking.

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When I take kratom I dose 2x a day. Drop by .25 or .50 grams for each dose. When each dose is 2 grams, I switch to dosing 3 grams 1x a day. Right before bed. Then I just taper that down at the same rate.

When I get to 0.5 grams per day, I just stop. I may sleep a little less and feel a little irritable for a few days but then it's back to normal. Working out every day and abstaining from sugary foods eliminates any remaining withdrawal symptoms in my experience.