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by kunley 5905 days ago
On the contrary, living in Europe I see you in the US as a great example of society which dares to stand up and say "No!". By comparison, you are exceptionally well-educated, conscious and actively taking care of your rights.
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how so? if I may ask.

Living in the US, I accept the claim that not many get together to say "No". Compare to Asian/European countries where the slightest rift creates huge protests. To cite UK as an example, we always hear British Airways going on strikes(not saying it's a good/bad thing); When was the last time we heard such a thing in the US? I often bring this up in conversations and a common argument thrown at me is that US is an individualistic society - neighbors are strangers to each other. Not all are interested in the big picture to change things. The common man in the US, lured by the media is content in accepting stories on the face value. I have this friend who listens to the radio archives of 60s/70s and often cites "Weather Underground" as an example of changing face of US.

could you provide some cases where in the last 20 years you see "US as a great example of society which dares to stand up and say "No!""

> Living in the US, I accept the claim that not many get together to say "No". Compare to Asian/European countries where the slightest rift creates huge protests.

What gives you the impression that "the slightest rift causes huge protests" in Asia and Europe?

You're kidding. It happens all the time.

I will be oversimplifying now, but still my observation is that in western Europe most people who oppose to something are those for whom it's a way of life, like leftists (or, contrary, extreme right-wing people). Insane example: people who created Baader-Meinhof, they didn't remotely know the real sides of life of the people they supposedly represented; they just found a way to utilize rage and pump their egos.

On the other hand there are post-communist countries, where I come from, where most of the people just don't care; they look at the west, want to become a middle class and they choose to be opportunistic.

But in the US people, common folk -- not any extremists, even if they just want to be a middle class, are quite good informed what they want, what the govt should do for them and what not, and are caring of it. This is deeply rooted in a foundation of the US.

Maybe you will have a clue what I have in mind when you compare the bureaucracy needed to create and maintain a business in the US and in the EU.

Thanks for these kind words, I appreciate that! (I'm a US citizen.)
As an American living in Europe, I can tell you your impression is sadly mistaken.

I've never seen so many people exercising their right to free speech as in Vienna and Berlin, for example.

And I used to live 15 minutes from the Capitol Building.

> I used to live 15 minutes from the Capitol Building.

So you lived in the imperial seat in the US, the one are where 75% of people are working for the government (directly or indirectly), and the one place that actually GREW during the current recession ... and you use that background to argue that Americans-as-a-whole are naive and love big intrusive government?

You see the logical flaw here, don't you?

Capitols attract protests. I work two blocks from my state capitol, and I see more protests than I have anywhere else. I doubt the percentage of government employment is as high here, but it's still decently high.

There are more variables involved than you're accounting for. I'd say your logic is more flawed than hers.

I also live a few blocks from my state capitol building and I rarely see protests. Maybe one or two a year with 20 or 30 people. It just doesn't happen.
The Tea Parties, Pro-life movements, and anti-war folks regularly marched on the capitol when I lived in DC.
Except that state capitols are mostly closer to people than the national capitol. Perhaps the laziness we're talking of has an interstate threshold?