[pjmlp]

Yeah, but for many of us the Java ecosystem is a feature.

You only get tooling comparable to Visual VM or Mission Control in commercial Common Lisps.

Also I think many that bash Java don't realise it is the only language ecosystem that matches C and C++ in availability across OSes, including many embedded ones.

[qwertyuiop924]

I realize, I just can't stand the ecosystem. Everything is super verbose, frustratingly overcomplicated, and full of XML. Yuck.

[pjmlp]

It is a consequence of being an enterprise language.

I imagine you never had the pleasure of doing enterprise distributed computing projects via CORBA, DCOM, SUN-RPC, DCE in C, C++, Visual Basic and Smalltalk.

Guess where those enterprise architects moved on.

EDIT: Should have mentioned Delphi and Objective-C as well.

[qwertyuiop924]

I didn't, it sounds unpleasant, I can guess, and I don't like it, which is why I'm not a fan of Java.