[M_Grey]

Exactly, and neither is strict moderation or a userbase that has no interest in that kind of thing, and no strong inclination to respond in kind. Still, the idea that somehow 4chan acts to contain the problem is unlikely. If you lance a cyst, you make a mess for a while, but that doesn't mean you've done much more than expose what was already killing you.

[gnarbarian]

I think it's healthy to have outlets like 4chan where a range of ideas can be thrown against the wall both ironically and seriously.

>If you lance a cyst, you make a mess for a while, but that doesn't mean you've done much more than expose what was already killing you

Except those users don't just go away. there are infinite places to go, none of which are as big as 4chan. So they find pockets of like-minded users and become even more extreme.

This is what happened after the ban wave of Nov 2014. Many different individuals left /pol/ in disgust en-mass to form splinter boards that cater to their particular ideology on places like 8chan. Spurned users also went to other boards and caused even more problems.

Now instead of a giant shitstorm of unbridled banter from all corners of the political spectrum /pol/ is an alt-right echo chamber like a conservative version of reddit.com/r/politics. Meanwhile there are 10 other echo chambers on 8chan for communists, democrats, libertarians and everything else.

The result has been balkanized echo chambers, worsened extremism and less diversity of ideas, discussion and ideology.

That's a bad thing IMO.

[M_Grey]

I don't think all of that is the result of the "ban wave", it's been a growing trend for years that people prefer echo chambers. That said, if you go to Reddit or Imgur and other sites, you can see the people from Stormfront, /pol/ and the rest are by no means sitting in those chambers without going "abroad".

The issue above all seems to be that not that many years ago, most people who got online did so with a computer, and even though that is trivially easy to anyone here any extra step from "I want online" to "I am online" cuts down the chaff. Now people overwhelmingly stab a button on their phone and bang... the world can hear you.

We're truly approaching a horizon past which everyone is online, and "everyone" includes a lot of marginal characters. The holocaust deniers who used to slip flyers into library books now huddle in their hug boxes, occasionally venturing forth to make some ridiculous claim and flip out at the "sheeple" who don't instantly see their brilliance. Tumblr is... proof that the Right has no monopoly on crazy.

I don't think shutting it down has any benefit, but I don't think that keeping it open does either. It just is.

[gnarbarian]

>if you go to Reddit or Imgur and other sites, you can see the people from Stormfront, /pol/ and the rest are by no means sitting in those chambers without going "abroad".

Yes but reddit is just a series of echo chambers where dissenting views are rapidly downvoted, hidden and removed by moderators.

I think you're right though. While the ban wave was a turning point for 4chan and image boards. The trend of increasing insularity and xenophobia is seen across all social media and political leanings. Making it too large to pin on any single event on a particular board or website.

I think it's the direct result of having too many choices, so people naturally gravitate toward the communities with the most like minded views and then groupthink dominates.

It's really a shame that instead of opening people up and exposing them to different perspectives the internet has had the opposite effect.