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by qwertyuiop924 3550 days ago
>the Internet is a shopping mall. There are two big anchor stores, Facebook and Google, at either end. There’s an Apple store in the middle, along with a Sharper Image where they are trying to sell us the Internet of Things. A couple of punk kids hang out in the food court, but they don't really make trouble. This mall is well-policed and has security cameras everywhere. And you guys are the bookmobile in the parking lot, put there to try to make it classy.

It's already been mentioned, but this guy needs to get out a bit more.

The internet is a city. There's the specialist shops (HN), the bustling malls (Reddit, YT), the shady back alleys (4chan, 8chan etc.), the historical districts (Usenet, Archive.org), the cafes (IRC, ICQ, Slack, etc.). To their credit, the author is more knowledgeable than most, however.

I see so many dismiss the internet as just Facebook, or YouTube, discuss trolling as if it's a single phenomenon, and it's a recent thing, associated with Social Media. So many think that there's an internet culture: there isn't: there's a set of almost infinite numbers of overlapping, interlinked cultures. I can even map out the origins and historical influences of a few. There are even a few who think that social media sites are good forums of discussion. The poor sods: the Usenet was a better discussion forum than Facebook ever was, and the Usenet's not that great.

If you really want to see what the internet is like (that isn't advice for the author: I'm pretty sure the mall analogy doesn't encompass his internet experience, and is merely an analogue I find odd), explore. See it all, in all of its weird, wacky, zany, jokey, serious, offensive, manic, smart, stupid, brilliant, insane glory. I promise you, you won't be dissapointed.

People ask me why I'm not on social media. It's because social media is boring. Unlike Reddit, 4chan, and the rest, not much interesting happens. Unlike HN, I'm not likely to be intellectually stimulated, or learn something new. Unlike static sites, I don't get to see that kind of wild creativeness that personal webspace tends to invite in hackers, nerds, and others who know what makes the web tick. I don't want to see what you ate, I don't want to see your cat, I don't want to hear banal details about your everyday life. I want to hear something intersting, new, and original. I want to hear the next Ze Frank, or Tom Ridgewell, or Simon Travaglia, or Steve Yegge, or RMS, or PG, or Ryan Dahl, and you can bet I won't on a site with a signal:noise ratio that high.

People also ask why I'm fascinated with the internet. My response is, why wouldn't I be? It's a catalogue of decades of human creativity and interaction. It's open mike night at the largest club in the world, which is also a discussion forum, and a shady back alley, and a convention. It is - to borrow and butcher Sir Terry's words - like being blindfolded and drunk at several different parties at once.

But, in what it rapidly becoming the sign-off on my incoherent, long-winded ramblings that are really only tangentially connected to the topic at hand, maybe I'm just totally mad.

EDIT: tried to clarify that I wasn't trying to insult the author. Not my intent, but it seemed to come off that way. It still does, but less so, and I prefer not to edit my old content too much. Also, I just checked out pinboard. Pinboard is amazing, and I am impressed.

Basically, don't take this as anything more than a tangential, incoherent ramble started by an analogy the author used which I found unrepresentative. Because that's what it is.

2 comments

"Needs to out a bit more" given the context is hilarious. I bet a cool $20 he is more widely traveled than you - both physically and digitally.
Indeed, as would I, on further reflection. I wrote a postscript at the bottom to this effect, more or less.

I write most of my HN comments in the spur of the moment. As a result, they're often inaccurate, idiosyncratic, poorly explained, or just weird. If anybody asks, I ususally try to clear up any confusion.

This isn't necessarily a good idea, but if I thought too much before I spoke, beyond a cursory look to see if I'm violating the rules, I'd be to afraid to post anything interesting, or anything at all beyond polite agreement with everybody, which is so very dull, don't you agree?

2933 votes and countless interesting discussions later, seems to have worked our okay for me.

Maciej/IdleWords is a bit of a sacred monster around here. He loves to hate on the HN crowd, and he definitely has a dim opinion of the VC/get-rich-quick internet schemes that one could characterize the Valley for. He provides a great reality check for the kind of internet bullshit that flies around a lot.

He's featured here frequently: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=idlewords.com

On a lighter tone, I highly recommend his "Argentina on Two Steaks a Day" [1] and "The Alameda-Weehawken Burrito Tunnel" [2], each of which had me laughing harder than anything else in my life.

[1] http://idlewords.com/2006/04/argentina_on_two_steaks_a_day.h...

[2] http://idlewords.com/2007/04/the_alameda_weehawken_burrito_t...

Ah. That explains a lot. He's definitely well-spoken. And I don't mind people criticizing the VC crowd. I don't people criticizing stuff in general, so long as it's well done.
The current blog entry on the idlewords front page is his trip report on visiting McMurdo Station, Antarctica.
As somebody who has been involved in the operation of various things in the "shady back alleys" category, I can assure you that they do not have an established place on the internet anymore. It's a constant battle of keeping things online, with pretty much every service provider involved looking for a way to kick you out. You may not see this as an end user, but it is exceedingly difficult to host something that goes outside of the norm.

The idea that the internet is a city might have been true 10 years ago, but it is definitely not true anymore now. The default response to "I need an X" is "just do it on Facebook", and there are entire swaths of content that just don't have a place anymore on the web, "thanks" to ever-increasing enforcement of arbitrary moral guidelines and growing monoculture.

If the internet were to be described as a city, it'd be a gentrified city where most of the artists have long been chased away by ever-increasing rents.