[morgante]

> I don't think "human right" means what you think it does.

This is a rude way of approaching a discussion. Don't make my assumptions about my knowledge.

A much better way of starting a discussion would be to state what you believe the definition of a human right is. There are in fact many different philosophical views on what human rights are, with many philosophers in fact arguing that their origin is in natural rights. [0]

> "Human rights" are something that didn't exist in the state of nature but were invented afterwards.

That's pretty much what is implied by my first line:

> Sure there is, at least if you acknowledge the notion of human rights in the first place. (There's no "innate human right" to not be tortured.)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_human_rights