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by espadrine 3552 days ago
I applaud Amazon for the offer. That being said…

> Amazon will award the winning team $500,000.

This is hugely under-paid for a worthy winner. AI startups are sold way more these days; Amazon would benefit tremendously from a novel technique in that domain.

> Additionally, a prize of $1 million will be awarded to the winning team’s university if their socialbot achieves the grand challenge of conversing coherently and engagingly with humans on popular topics for 20 minutes.

This emphasizes further how much those students would be ripped off. Their success is valued at half that of their university, even though they are already paying heavily for that university.

More to the point, a bot that fits this description is a major achievement, beyond Siri and Cortana — which both have a much, much larger value than a million dollars.

I understand that the point is to convince universities to grant their students more time to work on that project, and universities tend not to care about pocket money. However, this ⅓ / ⅔ cut is unbalanced.

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>> Amazon will award the winning team $500,000.

>This is hugely under-paid for a worthy winner. AI startups are sold way more these days; Amazon would benefit tremendously from a novel technique in that domain.

They're not paying for a startup with developed tech, established PhD researchers, and a business plan; they're paying students to do research for a year. Assuming a team of 5, $100K/year is very competitive in the academic world unless the students are at the stage of their career where Google recruiters are calling them every day. The likely result of this is something that will have interesting results and maybe a nice demo but will need further refinement in the industry apparatus in order to reach the market.

>> Additionally, a prize of $1 million will be awarded to the winning team’s university if their socialbot achieves the grand challenge of conversing coherently and engagingly with humans on popular topics for 20 minutes.

> This emphasizes further how much those students would be ripped off. Their success is valued at half that of their university, even though they are already paying heavily for that university.

Indeed, this definitely points to the larger imbalance in academic research finance. My university takes a huge proportion of the grant money that faculty win, and reduces aid for graduate students if they independently acquire outside scholarship money.

Divide that $100k/year by the number of entrants and you have the expected payout per student.

I'm fairly sure there are going to be more than three entrants.

>This is hugely under-paid for a worthy winner.

I'm still reading through the competition rules, but it's not clear to me if the winners lose their intellectual property rights. In some past tech competitions I've seen the winners still got to keep their product, the point of the competition was just to get people interested in the domain.

>AI startups are sold way more these days; Amazon would benefit tremendously from a novel technique in that domain.

Are they really though? I've been experimenting for a little bit with neural nets for chatbots. It's always been an interest of mine. I never thought it would have much economic value or interest until now.

> This is hugely under-paid for a worthy winner. AI startups are sold way more these days;

Sure, but AI startups also crash and burn. This seems like a lower barrier to 500k than going to a startup.

> Additionally, a prize of $1 million will be awarded to the winning team’s university if their socialbot achieves the grand challenge of conversing coherently and engagingly with humans on popular topics for 20 minutes.

This does bother me too, but I can see how it incentivizes universities to up their game.

Universities already have incentive to up their game in the form of being an university. The potential to get a million dollars if they maybe win some contest is a complete abstraction to the people who manage the establishments finances.
But, does Amazon pay the $500k even if the winner doesn't actually beat current state of the art? Seems like you just have to beat out the other competitors.

  > This is hugely under-paid for a worthy winner. AI 
  > startups are sold way more these days; Amazon would 
  > benefit tremendously from a novel technique 
  > in that domain.
In that case found a company and exit by selling to AMZN for $FAIR_MARKET_VALUE.
that's not a fair comparison - you would need to "found" many companies (comprising of top grade university boffins)..

This really is a cheap win... for Amazon.

It's Amazon, what do you expect?