[gthtjtkt]

> Diet > Training > Meal timing / cycling etc > Drugs

Haha, good joke. You should work for a supplement company. They can always use more people peddling that myth to gullible youth with money to burn.

"Train like Phil, eat like Phil, look like Phil! Just ignore the fact that he's taking enough drugs to kill a small horse, that totally doesn't matter and you WILL achieve the same results if you buy our plans!"

[another_account]

Where did I say that?

Diet and years of training when coupled with the top tier genetics will get a person very far. Even with average genetics it will. My comment was in retaliation to how quickly people overlook the years of grind, dedication and hard graft.

Of course the drugs let guys get past their genetic limit but they should be used only when everything else in on point and has been for years. Hence the heirachy in my post. It's not a duality, plenty of grey there.

If it was all drugs the how come idiots like Boston Llyod are not Mr O?

[gthtjtkt]

The Rock looked like he barely lifted prior to becoming famous. You can even find pictures that are clearly post-gyno surgery (clear indication of steroid use) where he still looks more fat than fit.

1. Bostin went overboard with the drugs, but his original transformation proves how easily a good cycle quickly trumps diet + training.

2. Olympia judging is more political than objective. Just look at Sadik's placing in Classic Physique this year if you want crystal clear evidence.