[fu9ar]

You don't understand these arguments because you came from such an extreme place of class privilege that you already had the education in high school to get paid "programming" jobs. People coming from poverty don't have family that can make up the 10% that you didn't cover out of pocket. Even then, you are probably being disingenuous with that 90% figure and if you want it to stand as valid evidence that all of these dirty poors should just suck it up because, "BOOTSTRAPS!!!", you should share your financial records for the years that you were in college rather than throwing out a few general links.

You created something that, at first glance, seems like a reasonable argument, but when exposed to a cursory examination, collapses under the weight of it's own bullshit.

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[davidf18]

> People coming from poverty don't have family that can make up the 10% that you didn't cover out of pocket

They get almost $24K free money in 4 years of free money in Pell Grants They get about $27K in 4 years subsidized Stafford Loans

People in poverty also get other kinds of grants/fellowships.

The Nature article was about people from poorer backgrounds not being able to be Scientists. The truth is they receive plenty of money for college and as I pointed out there are many in NYC that are doing just that.

[fu9ar]

Did you know that one of the schools that I went to disbursed financial aid a week after tuition was due, meaning that many students were dropped from their classes and had to re-register at the last minute with a late registration "fee?" This is one example of a constant parade of such bullshit. You had a pile of money that you earned, but it was predicated on an exceptionally privileged childhood education and a stratospherically privileged after-school-job opportunity, plus whatever else you needed, plus the knowledge that you could take risks because your family had the means to catch you if you stumbled. Did you know that many schools subtract the value of any grants or fellowships from what students receive in Pell grants and Stafford loans? Winning scholarships can be a Pyrrhic victory, but clearly you know all about that, because you are someone who received Pell or Stafford loans and actually understands the policy arena surrounding higher education financial assistance. Oh wait, you don't know what you are talking about and are instead trying to feed the meritocratic delusion upon which your self esteem rests.

[davidf18]

> "Did you know that one of the schools that I went to disbursed financial aid a week after tuition was due ...."

You are saying that the school you went to was run incompetently. I am sorry for that. You should count yourself blessed that you received money for college without, say, serving in the military as others must do using a G.I. Bill to pay for college.

I could not get Pell Grants or Stafford Loans, if you'd read the entire thread with my posts, including my original post, you'd know that.

I wouldn't complain about any free money. So what if you win a scholarship and then the Pell Grants are deducted? 4 years of Pell Undergrad is a free $24 K. I didn't get a single penny.

I had no financial safety net that you suggest. I had to do it on my own.

So, people get Pell, they get Stafford, there are quality low-cost public schools such as City University of New York (CUNY) where Pell grants alone cover the cost of tuition.

In addition, people can serve in the military to get even more money through G.I. Bill (and many have).

After undergrad, PhD programs in science and engineering are funded including tuition and living expenses.

There are programs to pay for an entire medical school education including both tuition and living expenses such as serving 4 years as a military doctor (or perhaps other programs such as underserved areas).

Don't take your anger out on me or others because your school was incompetent for not processing grant and loan applications at the correct time. Instead be thankful for all of the free money received (Pell is now $24K for 4 years) and subsidized loans you got (Stafford is $27K for 4 years) subsidized by people like me that never could get either Pell or Stafford.