[adanto6840]

250k per employee all-in (benefits, etc) doesn't seem that outrageous being in SF. Plus I'm guessing they're all high caliber employees given the scale of what they set out to do and what they've accomplished with a relatively small team.

[MustardTiger]

"Being in SF" is a silly excuse. There is no reason for them to be in SF.

[ryanobjc]

Except the people already were there, and they want to stay there. The imaginary high caliber people who can do this in a low cost of living place are exactly that: imaginary.

[jerf]

Pull open your brower's cert store and have a good look around. I suspect you'll discover that the majority of people who can run a certificate authority don't live in Silicon Valley.

It's hard work. It's challenging work. It's been screwed up a few times, yes. But it's not the sort of thing that's so hard that only five people in the world can do it correctly or something, though.

[toomuchtodo]

I fully endorse Let's Encrypt right to hire people solely from SF, but if you think high caliber people don't live in low cost of living places, you're either uneducated or purposely disingenuous.

EDIT: Source: I work on a fully remote team (>50 people) with teammates around the world who are high caliber people.

[rrdharan]

I think you can be more charitable in reading the GP's point; I certainly didn't interpret it the way you did or see it as a statement that high caliber people only live in SF or other high cost of living spaces.

It was a response to the claim that "there's no reason for them to be in SF" which is an odd assertion.

The point is that comparing an actual team with a purely hypothetical one is really just an exercise in imagination. These people exist, are competent, happen to live in San Francisco, and this organization has built a compelling product paying them what is likely lower than what they would earn at other employers in their region.

As I understand it nothing is preventing another service from emerging that competes with Let's Encrypt and has a better cost structure. It may also be reasonable to refrain from donating to / funding Let's Encrypt if you feel that they are poorly managing their finances, but even that to is more productive than simply stating "this team should not be in SF".

[ryanobjc]

Exactly.

The reality is everyone is playing armchair quarterback/back seat driver/whatever and telling LE about that they COULD do. As if somehow LE was dedicated to overspending. As if they didn't scour the earth to find the people and save 25-50%.

Building a good team is hard. Building a good distributed team is harder. That they exist is just as much luck as anything else.