[daylightyotei]

I'm still a novice emacs user, and a kind-of-longtime vim user, heres my "journey"

2010~2011: learn vim because I wanted to slack off studying for exams

2012: addicted to vim keybindings at this point, tell people 'I can't use other editors without "proper" vim keybindings'

2012: also discover tmux, because i wanted the ability to use vim keybindings and copy things in/out of shell

2012-2016: dabble with emacs sproadically, put off every time due to my vim keybinding addiction. tried evil mode during this time, and to my limited knowledge of emacs, things like C-u not working (scroll up half a page in vim) tick me off and in different modes the vim keybindings would suddenly disappear which was annoying

2016.04: discover spacemacs, try again, things work quite magically. in addition modes like org-mode are working as I expect (no random de-binding of evil-mode), discover new modes like magit and projectile-helm which keep me in (spac)emacs. also supports screen splitting with (:vsp, :sp) which is great.

one thing i really like about emacs is i still use the shell (awk/sed/ag/etc) for a lot of tasks, and since i can use the shell inside an emacs buffer, copying-pasting out of them are incredibly easy, replacing my tmux usage.

next step for me is to get more proficient in emacs (i hope i can read emails, do simple browsing, etc) and then hopefully setup emacs from scratch for an exercise instead of relying on spacemacs to do everything for me

[e19293001]

I was once a vim user for a year and switched to emacs to look at its advantage from vim. Keybindings gave me so much pain to adjust and took my brain for a month to completely absorb the keybindings. And even did 'alias vim=$(which emacs)' to force my self to use emacs. I did not try evil-mode thinking that won't resolve my vim addiction. Now I still happily use emacs for 2 years everyday and never get back to vim except for some circumstance that I am forced to use vim on other computers.

[progman]

> Keybindings gave me so much pain

Why didn't you define your custom keys with global-set-key in Emacs Lisp? This is one of the first things an Emacs novice should learn and do.

[u801e]

> one thing i really like about emacs is i still use the shell (awk/sed/ag/etc) for a lot of tasks, and since i can use the shell inside an emacs buffer, copying-pasting out of them are incredibly easy, replacing my tmux usage.

I mainly use vim and what I normally do to use shell within vim is to open another window and run something like:

    :r !some-shell-command

If I want to filter text within the buffer to the shell command, I can visually highlight it and run.

    :'<,'> !some-other-command

It's easy enough to undo the result and retry. I can edit the shell command opening the command line window with q: (which allows me to browse through my ex command history and use standard vim keybindings to edit, copy, and paste parts of the commands from the history that I need to run them again.

I know you can do something similar in emacs using the M-! keybinding, but I'm sure that's not an orthodox way of doing things in that environment.

[throwanem]

Sure it is, via C-u M-! . I'm not sure what you mean by "orthodox", but that's part of the standard configuration, so I have to consider that whatever Emacs orthodoxy there is must include it.

[pzone]

Doing email in emacs is not hard to set up, the hard part is ensuring that all your email is text-only. Likewise for browsing.

[Ar-Curunir]

Regarding the shell inside emacs buffer: neovim can do this too now.