[selimthegrim]

Israel is the occupying power, it's mandated to provide electricity to Gaza for example. Do you think they should be cut off from the power station at Ashkelon? If there is plenty of support for illegal settlements how can you say that most Israelis don't support the extremists, because only a minority are violent?

[relics443]

They are not mandated to provide free electricity.

To your comments on illegal settlements. Yes, there is plenty of support for them. In fact, most of the supporters contend that they are not illegal.

There's a very big difference between supporting the settlements right to exist and supporting extremist violence coming from the settlements. Settler violence is very different than Arab violence. Please bear in mind that what follows is true most of the time, and I'll address a few of the exceptions. They key difference - and this holds for all cases of extremist violence - is that it is thoroughly condemned by the full spectrum of Israelis (except for other violent extremists, although depending on how heinous it was, some of the tamer elements would condemn it as well). It is something that is taken seriously by Israel, especially if it leads to a loss of life, because Israelis care about life. It can even lead to violent crackdowns against settlers (which very often turn into witch hunts that violate due process and humanitarian rights, but the Left is quiet about that - see the dubious detention of Meir Ettinger).

1. Settler violence is condemned by the Israeli public and government - from the Right to the Left 2. Settler violence is proven to have been staged by the Left or Arabs 3. Settler violence is reactionary / provoked (price tags and harrassment by leftist groups and/or Arab neighbors) 4. Settler violence is an anger outlet vs an outright desire to maim/kill and as such rarely leads to bodily harm / death 5. Reported Settler violence is often referring to an instance of an Israeli Settler injuring/killing an Arab as the Arab was infiltrating a settlement or attacking Israelis (reported by B'Tselem a far left HR organization who has since amended their page showing this - http://www.btselem.org/english/Statistics/Casualties_Data.as...) 6. Settler violence committed by a mentally unstable assailant (Abu Khdeir killing)

As I noted, there are exceptions to the above (Goldstein, etc...), but most follow the above points, and rarely end in injury or death for Arabs, as the violence tends to be rioting and property destruction.

OTOH:

1. Arab violence is rarely condemned by the Arab public and government - most rejoice, and the more serious the attack the more they rejoice 2. Arab violence is often committed in public or has direct evidence of its occurrence 3. Arab violence is often out of the blue (not in retaliation for a specific personal attack or provocation) 4. Arab violence is often expressed as a desire to murder innocent Israelis and Westerners and to bring about the destruction of Israel

#5 doesn't really have a corresponding bullet, because most Israeli's entering an Arab settlement do so by mistake. Doesn't stop the population from trying to lynch them (I've heard multiple first-hand accounts of this, including from relatives and schoolmates).

I'm sure there are mentally unstable Arab assailants, but I don't know percentages.

[selimthegrim]

1. No concrete institutional action is taken. See the lonely drum Yuval Diskin is beating in and out of office. Also, is there anything like Rabin's condemnation of the right-wingers as "Sensible Judaism rejects you?"

2. Citations, please, as to what the "smolanim" are up to.

3. I don't care if it's a "price tag", it's still a difference of degree, not of kind from Arab violence.

4. Doesn't matter. Are they babies? We hear all the time about how Israel is a more morally advanced, "European" country and yet shouldn't be held to higher standards?

5. Sure

6. OK, and what about that wedding party where they were chanting support for Abu Khdeir's killer?

Now to respond to your OTOH:

1. Violence against whom? Themselves as well? 2. Citation. Also, as opposed to in private in a settlement? 3. Again, citations. Also, if you're living under the control of occupation authorities and harassed at checkpoints that isn't a provocation (this doesn't apply if they attack civilians of course) 4. I think the state of Israel and the Jewish people are going to survive a bunch of people talking shit. 5. Ding ding ding ding ding. And you want to rule over these people? When those Catholics lynched the British Army soldiers at the funeral in Northern Ireland for driving in the wrong way down the street, does that mean Britain should have expelled all the Catholics from Belfast?

[relics443]

Which they don't pay either.

1. Settlers who commit crimes are prosecuted by the Israeli government, and have no support for their actions from non extremists 2. Pallywood. In terms of smolanim, there are many videos on YouTube showing them harassing and attacking soldiers and civilians, and only filming the response (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallywood - I'd get some video links for both examples but I really have to get back to work :-) 3. That does take degree into account. Price tags rarely cause injury or death, even though they are often in response to Arabs injuring or killing Israeli's 4. No they're human beings, and they exercise restraint in retaliation. That being said, an overwhelming majority of Israel condemns their actions. You'll be hard pressed to find a Leftist who supports them, and a large majority of the right condemns their violence. 5. Not sure if that's sarcasm or not 6. Both the groom and his parents are on record stating that they do not know those people who were not invited and they were dancing off to the side so they didn't notice them. If they had, they would've removed them from the wedding. In any case, they were violent hilltop youth; again, condemned by a large majority of Israel (http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Abu-Khdeir-murderer...)

1. They celebrate death and injury to Westerners and Israelis. When Arabs commit terrorist attacks against Israel they parade in the streets and hand out candy. The terrorists are hailed as hero's as they celebrate the fact that they just killed/injured innocent people. 2. When an Arab blows up a bomb in a busy street, when an Arab goes in a knifing and/or shooting spree in the street, when an Arab uses his car to ram into people in the street, that's pretty public. There are also less public ones, sure. But you almost never hear of a settler walking into an Arab town in broad daylight and just start killing/injuring people. 3. Ignoring the fact that they do this to civilians, we'll focus on the soldier aspect. You think it's OK for an Arab to approach a checkpoint, pull out a knife, and stab a soldier who was doing nothing other than standing there? How about when they ram their cars into checkpoints, or try to blow them up. It got so bad that the IDF had to instruct soldiers to start shooting these terrorists, because the soldiers didn't want to have to kill anyone, but it was leading to soldiers getting injured and killed. What if it's not at a checkpoint? What if an Arab walks past a soldier in the street and knifes him/her? Is that OK? (http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/11/09/west-bank-attempt... http://www.stogether.org/idf-soldiers-hate-checkpoints/ http://www.ifcj.org/news/stand-for-israel/two-idf-soldiers-w... and there multiple others that are easy to find) 4. The Holocaust started with a bunch of people talking shit. We're very wary of shit talking now, especially when that leads to (and has led to) dead Israelis 5. No we don't want to rule over these people at all. We want them to go away, or stay and be functioning members of society. But no one should have to worry that making a wrong turn will lead to them being lynched.

[selimthegrim]

And it's not "free electricity", you know as well as I do Israel collects taxes from the PA and Palestinians.