[dogma1138]

Turkey and China, one can also say that no western country would be showing so much restraint to 100,000 rockets being fired into it's civilian population over a decade. While you can distil the fact that Israel is "wrong" their main offense is their existence, not any single act or policy, pre-1967 there was a "Palestinian Liberation" agenda also that one focused on Israel proper, after 1967 when the current Palestinian territories were captured from Egypt and Jordan it shifted, but overall the end game has never changed.

No one in the west or elsewhere was claiming that Egypt or Jordan were occupying Palestine, no one in the west objected Egypt shelling Gaza pretty much every other night, and no one dragged Jordan to the Hague for Black September, ironically enough the "Black September" terrorist organization which murdered the Israeli athletes during the Munich olympics was named for a terrible event that Israel had nothing to do with, but instead of going to attack Jordanian athletes for the 20,000 Palestinians that the Jordanian army butchered they went after the Israeli delegation.

[MichaelGG]

No ones hands are clean over there. Israel's response to the athletes' murder was not exactly "good world citizen" stuff either. But that's beside the point.

I was thinking more along the lines of stealing US nuclear tech, false-flagging, attacks on US, high-level espionage and "turning" top government officials, negotiating for top posts, etc. Or the whole "mess with us and we'll nuke the world" stance. Behaviour that's unbecoming of such a close ally, and that would be more expected to be coming from North Korea (if they had the resources). Maybe "everyone" does this kind of stuff, but these ones are public knowledge yet bringing them up is usually reacted to very negatively.

[dogma1138]

>Maybe "everyone" does this kind of stuff, but these ones are public knowledge yet bringing them up is usually reacted to very negatively.

Maybe? are you kidding me? How do you think the UK and France got their Nukes? The UK pretty much stole the designs from the Manhattan project because the US wasn't in a sharing mood (even tho the UK gave them the early and flawed weapon designs), so did the French, (Dutch, Greeks, Italians, and pretty much everyone else at the same time that wanted a bomb).

As for spying goes everyone spies it's one of the supporting pillars of modern politics and diplomacy, the US constantly spies on Israel, Israel spies on the US. The UK, France, Germany, Turkey, South Korea, Japan and even freakin Australia spy on the US and everyone else. Espionage isn't a question of will or morality it's a question of resources, and the US spies more than anyone on everyone, so using your argument the US is North Korea to all of NATO and the entire world.

The level of spite you seem to hold towards a single country is simply irrational regardless of how you try to rationalize it, Israel never threatened to nuke the world, I think you are confusing it with some other countries, including a country that pushed for MAD which most of the world seen as the most pretty freaking immoral thing invented and the only reason it worked is because while the soviets were appalled by that idea they had no choice but to comply or risk being on the receiving end of a first strike.

[gohrt]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

http://www.zionism-israel.com/Fallacies/Middle_East_29.html