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by reitanqild 3567 days ago
Sources, please?
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Here: https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=709632

Cited directly from the submission that you clearly did not read.

Soldiers themselves are posting online calling for the death of Palestinians.

This is very far from the case of uneducated Muslims being whipped into a frenzy, and I say that as someone that adamantly views the Israel-Arab schism as a fight between civilized men and savages. I'm about as pro-Israel as you can get but the conduct of Israelis can get just as disgusting as their Arab detractors.

Thanks! I'm all for facts and I clearly missed this.
Read the article, it's all about how Israel is going above and beyond its data-sharing partnership with Facebook to unfairly impose censorship rules for behavior that they themselves are guilty of. Hypocrisy at its finest.

There are more links to sources in the article.

Feel free to read my sources currently at the bottom of this page where Facebook had to admit that their moderation was clearly biaded against Israel as late as in January this year.
Did your parents play you too many Leon Uris audiobooks in the crib?
No I'm just extremely jaded by seeing uneducated masses get manipulated by awful people.

Being targeted by Israeli extremists for holding them to high standards and expectations is pretty unpleasant, and being targeted by Arab extremists for accepting the existence of the Israeli state is also unpleasant.

I sympathize with both Israeli and Palestinian people, I accept the existence of the Israeli state, and I recognize the need for Palestinians to have political representation. Call me what you want but please don't jump to conclusions or make any hasty decisions.

Thanks. Seems we agree on a lot. I very much appreciate your position about sympathising with both parts as well as the fact that you bring sources to the table.

I might also be a bit biased as around here (both locally and on hn it seems) there is or has been a quite strong anti-Israel bias although at least were I live that seems to have been changing over the last year.

Look, I too accept Israel's legitimacy but it's hard to take for example people complaining about NPR as being biased against Israel when (as someone on HN put it) every Palestinian they seem to interview is always conceding they see the reason why Israel is doing <thing they're being interviewed about>. Does that sound like an interview of representative Palestinians to you? If it was, would the conflict be an issue?
Are you saying Palestinians don't have political representation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Kn...
Many Palestinians don't feel they are being represented by those people.

You are absolutely correct that there is (IMO) a healthy amount of Arabs elected to the Knesset, but I think more needs to be done to integrate them into normal and day-to-day Israeli society. Unfortunately, integration into host societies is not popular among hard-liner fundamentalists.

Frankly I think something akin to the Nunavut Land Claims Agreement in Canada would be appropriate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunavut_Land_Claims_Agreement

"Many Palestinians don't feel they are being represented by those people."

Source? Assuming that is true, they have the ability to vote.

There are some companies that go out of their way to employ them (Rami Levy and SodaStream are some of the largest). Unfortunately, extremists use this as an attack vector against innocent men, women, and children, as they exploit their jobs to be able to murder and maim civilians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Jerusalem_synagogue_attac...).

Israel provides electricity to the PA even though they haven't paid their bill in years, and will probably never pay it in full. We're talking debts of $500M+ (http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-pa-said-to-reach-deal-on...).

Palestinians have the potential for a very good life in Israel. Sure, there are extremists on both sides. However, Israel is not a country made up of extremists (in fact they are a tiny portion of the population). The key difference is that most Arabs support their extremists though they won't carry out acts of terror (centrists celebrate in the streets after terrorist attacks are carried out; most vocally support terrorism against Israel and the West even if they wouldn't do it themselves, and they would rather see Israel destroyed than have a two state solution implemented) [I know there are sources for this, but I can't seem to find them. I'll instead attribute this to my personal experience with this, and leave you to draw your own conclusions].

The way I see it, it's best summed up with a quote from Golda Meir (disputed, but accurate nonetheless):

“Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”

That's like saying North Koreans have freedom of speech because some North Korean defectors live in the US. A Palestinian in Gaza is not the same thing as an Israeli Arab.
How about the actual article?

"While the focus here is on Palestinians’ “incitement,” it’s actually very common for Israelis to use Facebook to urge violence against Palestinians, including settlers urging “vengeance” when there is an attack on an Israeli. "

"In 2014, thousands of Israelis used Facebook to post messages 'calling for the murder of Palestinians.'"

Sources are linked in the article.