[purplelobster]

Another view is: I could definitely invest especially the forced pension better myself. The problem is most people would use that money for consumption if they had a choice, and then at old age they would blame society for having to live on the street (and in the end probably get a handout anyway). Perhaps in the end all of us are better off if we "force" these saving for most people.

[guard-of-terra]

However, we probably should withhold paying obviously unsustainable pensions to current generation of retired citizens.

There's this desperate feeling that despite paying a large chunk of money into pension fund, my generation won't get any pensions at all, because of population ageing there just won't be any money for that. But brace yourself. And have a nice mood. (c)

We're just giving those money to aged people without hopes of getting anything back.

And no, immigration won't solve this, because every immigrant you bring today will retire (or try to), too.