[ajuc]

> I've never seen anything that compared in creative quality to something like Pynchon.

Try Undertale. Or Planetscape: Torment. Or Dwarf Fortress, but that one is a huge time investment to even begin to get into it.

[EliRivers]

Dwarf Fortress is art in the same way a paintbrush is. That is, it isn't. It can be used artistically, and can be used to create art, but the art generated wasn't in the brush.

[ajuc]

Dwarf fortress is like a jam session or a performance. So - art.

[EliRivers]

I believe you have missed my point. Dwarf Fortress is an instrument with which one can create art, but it is not art. A guitar is not art - the jam session or performance is the art.

If you are saying that Dwarf Fortress is itself the product of a jam session, then I understand your point; I simply disagree.

[dagw]

Of course some people will argue that the best made guitars are a work of art in and of themselves, independent of any music that may or may not be played on it. In the same way one could argue the Dwarf Fortress is a work of art in itself.

[ajuc]

Ah, so you're speaking about dwarf fortress as just the code sitting on a disk doing nothing. I'm speaking about dwarf fortress running on a computer with a player using it.

Both are art in my opinion, just different kinds.

Same as a play scenario is art, and a play performed on a stage with audience participation is art as well, but different.