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by pastProlog 3575 days ago
It talks about effects on the culture, but things mentioned like the Beatles appearing on Ed Sullivan happened over half a century ago. You may as well talk about how World War I affected the culture.

Kids don't listen to rock and listen to hiphop nowadays? In my mostly white grammar school (and then junior high school) in the early 1980s, LL Cool J, Newcleus, and UTFO had much more cultural relevance than any rock band. By 1986, when Run DMC covered "Walk This Way", they were considered the new sound, Aerosmith was a rock band popular with people then in their 20s.

Rock has not been at the center of the culture for over 30 years. This guy seems out of touch. Even in the mid-1980s, the rockers that I knew listened to 60s-70s rock more than 80s rock. It was already dead. The old core rock demographic was more into heavy metal than rock. The rise of heavy metal, outlaw country, techno and hip hop finished rock off by the 1980s as any kind of cultural center.

I don't get this navel gazing about the 1960s from a half century ago. The 1990s is what affected this youth generation's culture in which the Internet, Snapchat, memes, FPS games and so forth is a heavy influence on the entire youth culture. Back in the early 1990s, very few young people were on the Internet (few old people were on the Internet too).

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Rock had a comeback in the early 90s, with the alternative movement. Rock acts popular from when I was in grades 7-12 included Nirvana, Perl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Greenday, The Offspring, Third Eye Blind, Kenny Wayne Shepherd, Lenny Kravitz, Barenaked Ladies... Plenty of top 10 hits in the 90s there.

The late 90s also included some hits by Nu-Metal groups; you can decide for yourself if that counts as rock or not.

I do know what you're saying. For those from the suburbs at least, the easiest way to tell a late gen-X from early millenial is whether they are nostalgic about early hip-hop or Pop (Gen X) or alt-rock (Early millenial). I call it the "3rd Bass/Nirvana inflection point"

Late 80s and 90s also had huge acts like Metallica, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Oasis (less so in the US), Smashing Pumpkins, Foo Fighters.
I knew I forgot some. I could have sworn I typed in RHCP, but they aren't there. I was never a GnR fan, and I heard "Champagne Supernova" so many times I think I've intentionally wiped all memory of Oasis out of my head.

Smashing Pumpkins, Metallica, and the Foo Fighers I have no excuse for forgetting. Ironically, I was listening to "The Color and The Shape" while typing this in but still forgot the Foo Fighers.

It's hard to find an era that doesn't have huge acts. Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Kiss, Aerosmith, Lynyrd Skynyrd, ZZ Top, Deep Purple and more stretch through the 70s into the 80s, leading into AC/DC, Van Halen, Def Leppard, Motley Crue.

It's more of a niche now than then, (and maybe I'm ignorant of developments outside of the harder rock zone) but there a still big rock bands now; The Black Keys, Godsmack, Tool, Avenged Sevenfold, Chevelle, Disturbed. They may not be Beyonce or T Swift, but they can sell out arenas.

I highly doubt that any of the bands you mention in the 2nd paragraph will sell out an arena by themselves. Even in their heyday godsmack,a7x, disturbed would maybe fill a large club. But then once the "real metal" picked back up 10 years ago or so these bands lost their appeal to the old school slayer/pantera audience just because there were other "options" available. Same goes for the younger deathcore/metalcore crowd (with a7x managing to stay afloat in that pool but nowhere close to where they used to be popularity wise).
The black keys are pretty mainstream compared to the others.
>Rock has not been at the center of the culture for over 30 years.

They heydays of MTV centered on rock bands. (Especially if you include grunge.)

Centered on rock maybe, but constantly nipped at by the dominant forms of music today. MTV was Rock's swan song.
20 years is a pretty long swan song.
About a single generation. Coincidence? I don't think so.
EDIT: I think this says it all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_conce...

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Rock is not what it was, but it's still huge, and Hip-Hop for all its current popularity, doesn't hold a candle to the absolute dominance that Rock had not that long ago.

And Rock is still underneath the most popular hits. The current 1st position, just as an example, is Closer by The Chainsmokers was - according to its authors - inspired by them listening non-stop to Blink-182.

Hip-Hop big names also constantly sample Rock songs, particularly older ones.

That list is pop stars and a bunch of old rock bands. Which I think is the point the article is making.
The Beatles appeared on Ed Sullivan in 1964, which was 52 years ago. 52 years before that was 1912, the year in which the Titanic sank.
In 1892 at least, if you were lucky, John Phillip Sousa played a concert in your town. And he was just as obsessed with the bass drum as we are...