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by RottenHuman 3569 days ago
how do you work for someone without them knowing your age? Do you keep that out of your CV? How about credentials and signing your contact? Seems very strange to me.
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I amputated my birth year, education and about 20 years of experience from my CV. Health insurance paperwork went directly to the broker. This is an outfit that hires by test and interview and cares not about aught else. Turns out they're not that rare.
Your age or birth date probably shouldn't be on your CV. Unless you think it's relevant to the job somehow, but it probably isn't.

Not only should it not matter, but it's illegal for employers to ask about it or consider it in their hiring decision, so having it right there on your CV puts them in a bit of a tight spot. I think some recruiters will actually remove that type of thing before forwarding it on to the interviewers and hiring people.

That depends on what country you're in. In Japan it's very standard to include date of birth, gender and a photograph on CV's.

On the whole I hate the practice, but you have to consider cultural norms when doing the job-hunting dance.

It's also customary in Germany, although I've never had a problem getting a job and I've never attached a photo to my resume.
Really? That seems very odd to me. In the UK I've never put my birth date, gender or photo on a CV and you're advised not to, unless you're applying to be like a model or something where I guess gender and photo is needed.
When I was in the 6th Form in the UK we were told we had to include a photo with CVs. Another reason you should never take careers advice from someone who became a careers advisor!
Immigration is still a pretty new thing for most of central Europe.

There weren't a significant number of visibly-foreign immigrants in Germany till the 60s or 70s and it took a couple more decades before those were seen as anything other than 'temporary guest workers'.

The UK and France (and even more so the US and other "New World" countries) had at least a few decades head-start for culture to get around the idea of immigration.

Depends on where you work. Anything influenced by the English-speaking world (IT, multinationals) – never attach a photo. A small local company – always attach a photo. Anything else – good luck deciding what to do.
Not really anymore, the latest version of the DIN norm on CVs has no photo or birthdate anymore, and in some states, it’s being discussed to ban it even.
Is there a a norm on CVs? The only remotely relevant I know of is DIN 5008 which concerns letters but doesn't contain anything regarding CVs.
There is one since the EU standardized CVs and created a webapp to build standardized CVs.
It's quite customary in Getmany to even have a picture on your CV.
Many people put college graduation year on their resume, and hiring managers reflexively subtract ~20 from that year and aren't wrong 99% of the time.
Interesting! I graduated much later in life, don't put my DOB on resume and I've often been told that they expected me to be younger when they see me - now I get it!
One of the few perks of not finishing your degree until much later is the fact that you can put that date on your resume and people assume you're younger. It's expensive, though, considering how much and how fast college tuition has been shooting up in price the past 15 years.
In Hungary, it is standard to include a photo on the CV, so I do that. Recruiter friends told me how they consider non-photo applications secondary to ones with photos, and how a human face helps building a connection right from the start.

So my only reason for including my age on the CV is because I look like I'm 24, whereas I'm pushing 31.

Not just Hungary, most of Europe outside of the UK seems to do this. I remember finding it a bit odd the first time I had to sift through developer CVs and most of them had photos.
What's the story in Asia? I only know about Thailand where a photo, age, sex and religion(!) are standard on CVs. Most advertised jobs state requirement for male or female of a certain age.
That is because many European country's are still a bit un reconstructed when it comes to issues around race.

Photos make it easier to hire people like us :-(

Graduation dates need to be there for any role that involves a background check.
If someone is doing a background check and can't find out when you've graduated, then why bother?
Yeah, that's kinda the point: you can't realistically conceal your age in many if not most job applications.
> Do you keep that out of your CV?

My understanding is that it is not only possible not to mention your age in your CV, but even illegal for companies to ask you what your age is as part of the application process.

Putting your age isn't necessary when your experience goes back decades and you graduated from university before your hiring manager was even born. Similarly, your name can convey a lot of biases as well, such as gender and ethnicity.
You can truncate your cv and not list graduation year, though name is tough.
The last time I shortlisted people for interview, HR had removed names and any other identifying information.

"So, candidate 24892 looks strong."

I don't know if I have unconscious biases, but this method was unlikely to make things less fair.

That sounds like a very good move to let people have an equal opportunity to "get a foot in the door", so to speak, but I'm genuinely curious how biases may be reduced during the interview process (be it telephonic or direct) and interview questions that may be directed at one's experience? Is this even possible without having dedicated "how to interview people" learning sessions and monitoring?
Yea definitely the company can do that on their end. Harder for you to do as an applicant though.
Is it really, though? It's possible they'd never need your real name until you filled out tax forms after being hired.