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by s_baby 3586 days ago
Any reason why midwest and not southeast? The outskirts of Raleigh and Atlanta have the same cost of living benefits while having access to a large talent pool and being close to the coast line/major cities.
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I've worked both coasts equally in my career and have found that despite cost of living differences, wages for the top 25 percentile are quite compressed compared to SV or NYC. Furthermore, there is a rash of jobs that are primarily cost-cutting measures from companies based out of more expensive areas, which puts you at a kind of career positioning disadvantage. Case in point, when I was at HP in the Seattle area we had an office in Cary - it was primarily for QA, not for our platform developers that were more important to continued success of the product. I'm finding the same trend in Atlanta and even fintech jobs seem to regularly pay under $100k for senior developers here when the cost of living has gone up dramatically compared to my perception that I could get a decent place for <$1500 / month where I wouldn't have to suffer from a horrible commute - this is patently untrue I've found after spending a month searching for housing (not apartments, admittedly).
>Furthermore, there is a rash of jobs that are primarily cost-cutting measures from companies based out of more expensive areas, which puts you at a kind of career positioning disadvantage

Does/will the midwest not have this problem though?

>jobs seem to regularly pay under $100k for senior developers here when the cost of living has gone up dramatically compared to my perception that I could get a decent place for <$1500 / month where I wouldn't have to suffer from a horrible commute - this is patently untrue I've found after spending a month searching for housing (not apartments, admittedly).

You can rent a family home on the north perimeter for around $1700 a month. Not nearly as cheap as some midwest locations but not nearly as expensive as the Bay Area. You also do have the option of having a 40 minute commute and paying a fraction of that in rent. It's a nice option to have on the table especially if your job is located outside the city or allows remote days which is often the case.

With my experiences with the F500s cutting IT costs, most onshore outsourcing was going directly to Texas and the Southeast for what appeared to be specific state-driven tax advantages - only with one or two sites did I see going somewhere like IN, OK, or KS usually due to existing assets there. Based upon more anecdotal info based upon Indeed results, in proportion to the population, there are potentially more and better software jobs as well as greater legacy of older-generation tech companies mentioned elsewhere in the thread from, say, Indiana and Ohio (Xerox). There's also healthcare companies in the midwest like CERNer that would result in some more (admittedly, IT primarily rather than software) tech jobs. Furthermore, Walmart seems to have a pretty solid number of technology jobs that aren't network and storage janitor work.

I never managed to find a house that was 3br/2ba+ in Brookhaven on up past the perimeter < $2000. It's a bit of a sticker shock for me in rent when the place I bought last year was about $1k / mo mortgage and comparably nice besides a bathroom's upgrades.

The southeast is really nice, I would agree.