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by caretStick 3577 days ago
People talking about getting ink need to focus a little more on the underlying issue, the gas-lighting of greedy "founders". My employment contract & bonus contract had to all be walked out on as it was all predicated on my CEO being trustworthy. I recently met up with several other employees who didn't get paid for the end of their contracts either. The thing we liked most about talking was figuring out it definitely wasn't our problem.

> If the author's reading this, it sounds like you're fairly early in your career and learned a tough business lesson the hard way

Yeah. Second that. Experience is good. Knowing what it all actually looks like, the phrases, the mannerisms, is very valuable. You can take bigger risks when you know how the terrain rolls.

As an example of my senses getting more developed, recently I talked to a "CEO" of some startup I was interviewing and asked about someone else I liked who I knew at the company from earlier. Check this out:

"Oh, yeah [person] is really great...blah blah blah."

"So how is [person] doing?"

"Oh, well, they decided they wanted to do something else...blah blah blah."

Complete total waste of time was brewing if I didn't probe into the non-specific answer that artfully implied that [person] hadn't left the company and was soon part of my awesome team. I would have at the least researched them more. When you have to waste time on things like this, it makes getting where you want to be way harder and makes it harder to justify risks.

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"My employment contract & bonus contract had to all be walked out on as it was all predicated on my CEO being trustworthy." In what way was it predicated on your CEO? A CEO can't simply decide to not honour a written and signed legal document, without risking a court case (the onus is on you to go after what is rightfully yours).

Learning to navigate human interaction in business (and make no mistake, a employee/employer relationship is a business transaction) is a skill needed in any industry. These kinds of things are not new, in this industry or any other.

Unless you have a large pot of money to spend on litigation (or the amount of the contract falls inside the limit for small claims), all contracts amount to trust. The cost of fighting a legal battle is enormous, and mid-sized to large businesses can fight battles of attrition in court.
Indeed, unless substantial amounts of money from a client who can pay are involved (think Brian Reid (!) who was let go from Google 9 days before their IPO because he was too old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Reid_(computer_scientist... ), contracts only serve to memorialize decision and promises, they help avoid "but I thought you meant X" retrospective flaky human memory.
Settled out of court for undisclosed terms? Sounds like Reid really made out well then?
That's my impression.

The optics were horrible, it sounds like he had a fairly strong case, and for those of us who knew of him starting from his works like Scribe way way back when, well, we're inclined to believe his story.

All we know is that Google made an offer he and his lawyer chose not to refuse, but as long as they thought they were going to win in court before a jury and all that, it had to have been generous, although I'd imagine it wasn't as generous as his original ability to to participate in the IPO and beyond.

They can lie about having the means to fulfill the contract or any basis to pay damages etc. CEO is a good job to lie from. You can always complain that your employees should have made you filthy rich so that you could fulfill your promises.

One reason I quit was that all of the mounting promises were predicated on me in the end. If that's true, go alone instead of giving yourself bread through a middle-man.