[ctack]

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences and thank-you for being straight up.

First of all, I don't know your experiences and am in no way trying to cheapen them, but I too have been the victim of crime (a break in while I was sleeping and I woke up and screamed and woke up the house and assailants thankfully fled) and lots of treasured possessions were taken. If I'd been asked in the first year of that, I'd have let the government put cameras in my bathroom and the death penalty would not be enough for them. But of course as things have cooled off; I've moved on and found peace. And now the idea of giving away completely the right to private movement in the name of safety seems plain wrong.

[throwanem]

Certainly that's fair enough. As I said before, I don't know that it makes sense to expect there be a single right answer to a question like this.

Your response neatly demonstrates the other primary reason I do not like to construct an argument around personal experience. Everyone's experience is unique, and such arguments are thus both unlikely to be convincing and weak in the extreme. To use such an argument was an error on my part which I even expected at the time I would probably regret, but I foolishly went ahead and did so anyway. Perhaps I will use better sense next time.

It is curious to me that you speak of a "right to private movement". This is an idea I find it difficult to comprehend, because the movements of which you speak are not private. They are public. They may largely have taken place unobserved heretofore, but I find it difficult to construct an argument for the idea that, simply because some, perhaps many, of your actions in public have not been seen up to now, this implies the existence of a positive right that such actions in public not be seen into the indefinite future. There is case law to the effect that you do not have a general right to privacy within the confines of a motor vehicle. What about a sidewalk is different?

[ctack]

Not sure about the legalities of a right to privacy in public spaces, although perhaps I could have used the word unobserved instead of the word private. For me the idea of observation goes hand in hand with the idea of self censure.

[throwanem]

I would be interested to know why this is the case, or why it's a serious concern, because I really don't find myself able to comprehend it. The closest I can come is something like not wanting to adjust my trousers or scratch myself in a vulgar fashion if someone might see me doing it, but I doubt that's what you mean.

[ctack]

You don't ever self censor posts thinking a potential future employer might see it?

Now imagine having all your movements recorded(and possibly actions too). Who will have access to that info now and in future? Target? Facebook? Your parents? Your boss? Your wife/partner?

[alanwatts]

Most self-censoring and social conformity is done subconsciously as an important evolutionary survival mechanism, thus most people are completely unaware of it.

[throwanem]

You want to cite a source for that at all?