[k-mcgrady]

Safari is my browser of choice and I have no issues with it (I much prefer it over Chrome). Maps has occasional issues but it's a solid product now. I use it for walking and transit directions and can't remember the last time I had to fall back on Google Maps.

[throwanem]

Same here. Maps works when I'm three quarters blasted, trying to get to a train station I have no idea how to find from a bar I've never been to before, and that has to count as some kind of win.

[eridius]

Just the other week I realized that I hadn't launched Google Maps in something like 2 years so I finally deleted it.

[soperj]

It's taken me way out of the way, and through a toll bridge when that was not even close to the best way to go. Safari is bad because it's behind the times, and doesn't keep up with standards. Makes it really annoying to have to wait to use certain features because IE and Safari can't keep up.

[objclxt]

> Safari is bad because it's behind the times, and doesn't keep up with standards

Safari and WebKit has 100% support for ES6, which is more than any other browser - http://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/

I think what you mean is Safari doesn't support the standards you want it to support, some of which aren't actually full standards yet but candidates.

[soperj]

hahahaha. Such bullshit. You're talking about Safari 10 which is in beta & no one actually uses. Look at 8 & 9. Much worse than any browser not named IE 11, and 8 is only marginally better. Seriously, i'm glad they're coming out with an up to date version, but it's been far too long in coming.

[soperj]

Down voted but no rebuttal. typical.

[throwanem]

You blame Safari for not being Chrome? I mean, OK, I guess, but there are a lot of browsers that aren't Chrome. Why single out Safari for vitriol?

(And I'm not even going to touch the frankly invidious IE comparison.)

[soperj]

Chrome and Firefox and Opera all keep up. Safari is worse than IE/Edge at this point in terms of implementing standards. It's the absolute worst because it's not even available for anything but Apple products now so it's a pain in the ass to test.

[throwanem]

IE is dead. Edge is embryonic. I can't speak for Opera. I use Firefox every day, both as my personal browser and as my primary development target, with validation in other browsers performed via automated and manual testing. And, if Chrome is your standard, Firefox cannot honestly be said to "keep up". It's consistently a few versions behind, at least, in supporting major innovations which reliably appear first in Chrome.

I grant testing is an issue if you don't own Apple hardware, although there are free and inexpensive remote testing services which cover that need well, and I'm certainly not about to say that Safari doesn't pose any unique difficulties to the web developer. But so does every other browser.

[soperj]

I'm a firefox user as well, and it's both my personal browser and development target. Safari is the only browser that consistently gives me issues.