[antisthenes]

I have tried your strategy with 0 change in results. Success in this matter is determined by many more factors than just being in above average shape and your trying to present it otherwise is disingenuous at best and harmful at worst.

[sebringj]

Disingenuous is insulting. It isn't something you try. Its something you live. Also the what you eat is actually most important, much more so over working out but working out just makes you look nice too. There are precursors that definitely put us in the right position for social acceptance. Go ahead and list the ones that have worked for you. If none have worked, I am sorry about that. Also, I'm not selling anything, just noting what worked for me. My advice is free and without agenda. Its completely free if you fuck off as well with your insulting bullshit.