[Aelinsaar]

Nothing about the impending IoT seems planned, standardized, and remotely designed with the consumer's best interest in mind. That being said, consumers for their part seem almost eager to throw their money away for truly dubious improvements. What isn't a bad idea from the get go is often a good idea ruined with careless implementation.

[Mister_Snuggles]

Apart from the fridge that, once upon a time could show you your Google calendar[0], I have yet to see any IoT device that actually requires a cloud service for its functionality.

Why can't things be built to just use local TCP/IP connections? Those work just fine on my local network, and they work just fine if I flip my VPN on when I'm not on my local network. Anything that actually needs some kind of server piece should have a server that can run locally.

[0] https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/calendar/Uhfp...

[techsupporter]

> Why can't things be built to just use local TCP/IP connections? Those work just fine on my local network...

Simplicity, possibly. Vendor lock-in, probably.

I'm in the same boat. I wanted a weather station that didn't cost several hundred units of currency but also let me query it directly instead of having to hit Weather Underground or (FSM help us) a vendor's web site with no API. Only a handful of them do this so I wound up rigging up what I wanted using a Raspberry Pi, a USB-connected weather station, some extra sensors, and several lines of PHP.

Why I'd want to subject my light bulbs or coffee pot to that is beyond me.

[zipwitch]

Data-mining.

How can the smart-fridge company sell your eating habits if your fridge only tells you (and not them) how you're using it?

[bpicolo]

There are tons out there, no? Amazon Echo is a stark example, but e.g. nest camera seems to as well.

https://nest.com/support/article/Do-I-need-Wi-Fi-to-use-Nest...

[Mister_Snuggles]

The Amazon Echo makes sense to require an Internet connection.

There is nothing that the Nest cam does, apart from offsite backup, that requires it to contact the company's servers. Everything else can be local only with VPN for remote access.

[wmf]

P2P discovery and connectivity within homes is pretty spotty so it's more reliable for all devices to initiate connections to the cloud.

[jwatte]

Any open (as in secret-less) P2P discovery protocol will eventually be hacked and used by people not-you.

I just wish there was an open standard, secure, home device discovery and management protocol.

[Aelinsaar]

I would imagine it's the same thinking that puts multiplayer in every game, and just generally wants to keep a live connection to everything, always.