[appleflaxen]

Microsoft is a convicted monopolist in the EU. That's black and white criminal (and immoral) behavior.

The PS team seems like it's doing its best, but you lose some degree of presumption of goodwill when you work for a criminal entity.

Ultimately, I don't think either side is right, but I also don't think either side is wrong.

MS made a choice not to cultivate goodwill in the OS community for years, and they profited from it. It's reasonable for that community to make them earn it back, and this is what it looks like (unfortunately for the individuals on the PS group).

[oxryly1]

> Microsoft is a convicted monopolist in the EU.

As an aside, what was their punishment?

[appleflaxen]

the main sanction was having to un-bundle IE from Windows.

[Daviey]

Sorry, but this is totally irrelevant. Any large organisation will have legal issues.

Google: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/feb/24/google-vi...

Uber.. hasn't been quiet in the courts.

[appleflaxen]

My point is simply that Microsoft has to convince the community of their goodwill, and it will take time.

I don't think the existence of other companies with (mabye even bigger) PR problems has any bearing. So what? You want to be equally critical of Uber? Ok. Let's make them prove their goodwill too.

Furthermore, Microsoft is unique in this regard, because at the time of their conviction, they were fighting the browser wars with two open communities: FF and chrome.

[mikerichards]

You don't seem to understand the definitions of "convicted" and "community".

[appleflaxen]

Would you like to provide a definition? I don't understand what you are saying.