[r_smart]

The CEO of an oil company represents all of the people that work for that company, and the many people who are investors in that company (often including pension funds, which are beholden to those same teachers in the union). It's disingenuous to act like the CEO's interests are the only ones involved in a corporation's lobbying. Indeed, CEOs are often voted out of companies by the board.

Are businesses less democratic that unions? Almost certainly. Does that change whether or not their actions are moral? I would argue not. My step-father was a in a union for a long time, and spent time as an officer for the union. He didn't have much great to say about it.

[dragonwriter]

CEOs and management in general, represents the firms owners, not it's employees except to the extent that the employees happen to be owners.

[r_smart]

Sorry, I meant it to mean that the CEO represents the interests of the employees in that the employees do well as the company does well. Yeah, they get less of the yield than those at the top, but if the company isn't doing well it puts downward pressure on all of their careers. Presumably the employees are there because they support, or are at least neutral, to the goals of the company, and thus share an interest. If they oppose the goals of the business, while I can understand why they might take a job there, I would still argue it's an ethical lapse.

[wfo]

Not the case that the employees do well as the company does well. The company does great when factories are closed and replaced with slave labor overseas. The employees, not so much. The company does great when its employees are forced to train their H1B replacements who are held hostage by their visas for no wages and then fired. The employees?

The company does great when it pays its employees the smallest amount possible, gives them the least benefits, since every cent of extraneous labor cost is, by definition, extraneous lost profit.

[r_smart]

The cheap way out for me is to say those people are no longer employees :)

Being honest though, yeah businesses will do shitty thing to employees when their interests don't align with the employees. That said, I've worked for healthy companies and sick companies, and I promise there's a world of difference there. Layoffs, outsourcing and training replacements are usually signs of sickness. The brand of medicine practiced by businesses is triage.