[mitm2mitm]

IMO it does not matter what other people are doing. I'm paying for this software so I want control (over my own hardware). Mobile is a lost cause but I literally can't afford to fight my desktop OS. It must work and be reliable.

Maybe I would accept forced security updates if they allowed live updates. Having to restart your computer is awful.

But that's not even the worse problem. It reset settings, install things you removed, services you don't want, remove features you had before for no reason. Not to mention drivers and all the update problems people are reporting. If there's a chance to break, I must be able to choose when I want to upgrade.

I'm willing to pay more for not having to worry about telemetry, MS account and all that bs.

[kminehart]

Right? That's something about Windows that I hate; having to restart for an update.

Microsoft, with it's endless supply of money, is somehow completely incapable of live OS updates?

Hell, Linux has live updates; I don't even have to restart to update my kernel! I would expect Microsoft to somehow take this existing technology, cater it to their system and call it a brand new feature like they did with the resizable command prompt. "Look at this revolutionary thing we're doing in Windows 10!"

Obviously I'm generalizing or assuming that they would be able to do it; I know nothing of how Windows works. It could be impossible without completely rewriting the entire thing. It's just my ultimate pet peeve about Windows.

[supernovae]

Restarting a modern windows PC these days just takes a few seconds, its not a big problem. Updating my mac still requires restarts and hell, even ubuntu requires reboots. Not everyone ksplices their system and even ksplice warns you a reboot is the best option.

If you think the resizable window is all they did with windows10, you're sorely mistaken :) Windows is moving to a shared kernel (minwin) that works on servers, pcs, desktops, phones, consoles and hololens. If you write an app for UWP it can be installed on all of these devices and has interfaces to operate natively on them. UWP is sandboxed too so its more secure than Win32.

MS is moving to a quick release cadence where the patches aren't just bug fixes, but they're actually pumping out feature after feature and fixing bugs / requests submitted through the insider program.

They're adding / fixing html issues in edge, plugins for edge, increasing features to UWP apis, adding support for devices/cpus, streamlining gaming support.

It takes my surface pro 4 about 3 seconds to go from off to logged in using my face. Each update has improved the experience from what was "Cool" but barely worked to now just working all the time and now supporting biometric authentication for web apps and other features - because they have updated and patched the OS to integrate such.

anywho.. i love computers.. i run windows, i'm typing this on my macbook and i'm playking pokemon on my iphone and my day job is running thousands of centos and ubuntu workstations.

tired of this misguided rage and jumping to assumptions. we as a community should be better than this.

[pritambaral]

> Restarting a modern windows PC these days just takes a few seconds, its not a big problem

> It takes my surface pro 4 about 3 seconds to go from off to logged in using my face

And what proportion of Windows users in the world have SSDs, latest-gen Intel processors, and Intel RealSense cameras?

And even being okay with the time it takes to reboot, it is not okay to have all of one's work suddenly interrupted by an insolent piece of software (that is supposed to be working for the user).

[Senji]

Nice shilling. Nobody uses language like

>"MS is moving to a quick release cadence where the patches aren't just bug fixes, but they're actually pumping out feature after feature and fixing bugs"

[supernovae]

Since when did actually knowing what you're talking about become shilling?

MS has moved to a release cadence that pushes out new features annually in major updates (anniversary updates) - and on patch tuesdays for other updates.

These other updates can include new drivers, new firmwares, fixes to windows runtime, new windows runtime apis (they're always adding to the bluetooth stack so on and so forth), updates to browser, updates to store, updates to services/tooling.

They've been working on docker support, built in linux support (ubuntu bash is awesome), they have been optimizing how store apps are packages/compiled/distributed/updated..

if shilling means calling you out as an ignorant hater, i'll happily shill away.

[brokenmachine]

>I know nothing of how Windows works. It could be impossible without completely rewriting the entire thing. It's just my ultimate pet peeve about Windows.

I imagine the Windows sourcecode to be a total clusterfuck shitshow, with all the ancient code and exception cases.

I doubt you could make live updates work without a major redesign, which would inevitably break a lot of stuff that people actually use.

[xorblurb]

Windows can't even do live updates of its userspace, so don't even start to dream about the kernel...