[davidf18]

The crime at Wal-Mart is a manifestation of a systems problem that was not of Wal-Mart's making but rather the export of jobs to China and Mexico and the substantial increase in immigrants from 9 million in 1970 to 43 million today (not counting the 11 million illegal immigrants). The immigrants generally are uneducated and complete for jobs and drive down income for America's poorest citizens.

Diagnose and solve the problem, don't treat the symptom of the problem.

[citrin_ru]

Exporting jobs to China allows poor to buy cheap goods. Without moving production to countries with cheap labor American poor will earn more, but able to buy less.

[davidf18]

I'm glad you mentioned this. Some people have lost their jobs to workers overseas. People can't always be "retrained" and so for these people, since they are now unemployed they are not able to buy more.

In addition, lack of employment correlates (and presumably causes) and increase in crime, in drug use, in depression. These are all externalities that are borne not only by the former worker and their families but by taxpayers and society at large. Someone has to pay for the increased crime and protection, someone has to pay for the additional health care costs, and so on.

These negative externalities of exporting jobs to China, to Mexico, and soon possibly to other Asian nations through TPP are never part of the economic equation.

In order to address a problem, it must be fully analyzed. In this case, there is much finger pointing at the victims of a broken system.

So, when a company exports a worker's job overseas, who is supposed to pay the additional healthcare costs cost by the unemployment? Should us the taxpayers or should those that caused the problem in the first place? Someone has to pay and we shouldn't just let events decide but rather make a conscious choice.

[menlo75]

Trump 2016: Blame the immigrants

[davidf18]

Blame economics. An increased supply of uneducated labor drives creates more competition for jobs performed by the poor, uneducated and also drives down wage rates. Illegal immigrants, since they can't complain, will work in illegal conditions and even lower wage rates.

H1-B visa abuse is used by firms (see Disney World in Florida and Abbott Pharmacueticals in Illinois for example) to drive down IT and STEM labor rates.

You might dislike Trump, but he is against H1-B Visa Abuse and H2-A and H2-B (blue collar) Visa abuse. Meanwhile Hilary has used H1-B Visas in the Clinton Foundation (I love patriotism :-) ).

So, instead of being emotional about an issue, be analytical. I assume that most of the people reading HN are analytical and just don't emotionally lash out.

[hjck]

You mean the 2 visas/year filed by CGI? http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Clinton-Global-Initia... Or the 685 by Trump's WPB hotel, including almost 100 last month for which he rejected US workers http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election... ?

Since most Trump voters are uneducated, this is my tip: Go to Stanford/MIT/Columbia, get a CS degree and then you won't have to compete with illegals for a job. And always remember:

"Of course foreigners steal your job, but maybe, if someone without contacts, money, or speaking the language steals your job, you're shit." ~ Louis C. K.

[davidf18]

CGI tried to hire 7 public relations specialists, 2 community service managers, and 1 fundraiser. CGI is in NY State where I live. Hilary as NY Senator promised to increased the number of jobs in NY State by 200,000 and she should show by example.

Trump has admitted it was a mistake for him to abuse the H2-A and H2-B programs and he is against increasing H1-B (STEM) H2-A and H2-B. Whereas Hilary is for increasing the H1-B program (her backers want it increased).

Sanders agreed with Trump's position of not increasing H1-B, H2-A, and H2-B Visa programs.

The truth is that the position of Trump and Sanders care more for the jobs of professional STEM and working class than Hilary.

Be analytical and not emotional.

"... you're shit." ~ Louis C. K."

Don't know Louis C.K. but he's a jerk.

The IQ curve is a normal distribution around 100 and it takes an IQ of around 110 or so to get into college and get a degree. Many people lacked the intelligence/intellectual endowment that readers of HN has. That doesn't mean they're shit. It means that they struggle in this world in ways that many here can't fully understand.

[hjck]

So, HRC hiring an insignificant number of immigrants is wrong but Trump gets a pass on thousands, including a request for hundreds of foreign labor applications last month? BTW, Trump does favor H1b for tech: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/...

Looking at your history (African American access to the tech world in NYC), it seems you are a troll, so I'll leave it at this: http://blog.samaltman.com/trump

[davidf18]

http://www.firstpost.com/world/as-republican-convention-kick...

"However, Trump is a different story. “When politicians talk about ‘immigration reform’ they mean: amnesty, cheap labour and open borders,” his website states. “Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.”"

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"Trump's plan is manifold but there are two points that specifically target H-1B visa holders. Trump states on his website that one way to curb unemployment is by increasing the prevailing wage for H-1Bs. This will force the companies to give the Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) jobs to Americans, instead of hiring the no-longer cheap labour from other countries. That way, more women, blacks and Hispanics will get jobs in the STEM industry. He wants to introduce a rule so that companies that want to hire workers on H-1B will be required to hire American workers first, even before greencards (permanent residence status) are issued to foreign workers."

Instead of resorting to ad hominem (trolls?) attacks, you should admit the facts which are that Hilary as Senator said she wanted to create 200,000 jobs in NY State and for her it was "do as I say, not do as I do" when she Clinton Foundation attempted to hire foreigners instead of Americans.

The truth is that Trump's position is for employing Americans for STEM jobs and not importing foreigners.

Trump criticizes Disney for replacing American IT workers with foreign H1-B workers (Southern California Edison did the same as Disney). http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/donald-trump-just-took-a-...

Trump and Sanders criticize Carrier Air conditioners for exporting jobs to Mexico. http://fortune.com/2016/02/18/sanders-and-trump-give-union-h...

There are lots of young Americans and older Americans that want jobs and Trump (and Sanders) wanted to help them. Hilary, on the other hand supports increasing the H1-B visa program which will displace even more American jobs. Both the Democratic and Republican elites support importing foreigners to replace Americans. That is one of the reasons that the Republican elite truly hate Trump. In many ways, he is more for the workers than the Hilary Democrats and that makes them very, very angry that voters and not their elite money could nominate their candidate.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-tech-policies-20...

"HP Enterprises CEO Meg Whitman has been outspoken on her position that Trump's trade policies would damage her company.

"I think his policies around free trade will be damaging to businesses as a whole," said Whitman, a Republican, in an interview with CNBC."

Instructive comments on Trump and H1-B: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskTrumpSupporters/comments/4umcm9/...

As for my statements on Black access and tech world in NYC, I assume you live in NYC and you've been to meetups so you know what I am talking about and can dispute it. Why don't you tell me from your own experience, what exactly is wrong with my statements.

Oh, and regarding Sam Altman and Nazi Germany, etc. I had family that came to the US in 1881 thanks to pogroms.