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by zhemao 3599 days ago
> Yet, for some reason, they spend their time playing Jazz derivatives and covers or as studio musicians.

Because that's the kind of music they like to play and know best. If they went to music school, jazz and classical are the dominant music styles that are taught. Also, you can make a pretty good living as a studio musician. It's much less risky than trying to sell your own albums as a solo artist.

> Interestingly, they're all playing Jazz - which to me is so puzzling. It's akin to being a master visual artist and being absorbed in re-creating Pollack or Rothko or Kadinsky.

No, it's like a painter creating their own works with Pollack, Rothko, and Kadinsky as key influences.

You think they should do the musical equivalent of a master painter taking a job at an graphic design firm? Plenty of them do, actually, you got to pay the bills somehow. That's what being a studio musician is.

> Jazz had a moment, and it was a beautiful moment. It can be admired and relished as such, and the music can help transport one to that moment in time. But, does Jazz even make any sense in the modern world?

As the article mentions, Jazz is changing with the times, as it always has. The music that Coltrane and Miles played in the '50s and '60s was quite different from what the New Orleans bands of the early 20th century were playing. It's funny you should mention Miles because he lived and played through several eras of jazz (and was the pioneer of several of them). He also expressed an ambivalence towards his earlier work.

> " "So What" or Kind of Blue, they were done in that era, the right hour, the right day, and it happened. It's over [...] What I used to play with Bill Evans, all those different modes, and substitute chords, we had the energy then and we liked it. But I have no feel for it anymore, it's more like warmed-over turkey."

If a picture is worth a thousand words, a video is worth a million. So instead of trying to explain it more, here's a jazz track released last year. Tell me if it sounds boring or old-fashioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv3SzjFIa-s

> But, if I went to a music venue today, and the band was playing Jazz, I'd be bored out of my mind.

If I went to a music venue today and they were playing hip hop I would be similarly bored. Turns out different people have different tastes.

As for why you'd go and listen to someone cover a song from Kind of Blue: jazz is mainly improvisational. That means even if they play "So What", it won't be note-for-note the same as the version on that historic record. Hearing the ideas that the musicians create in the moment by listening and responding to their bandmates is the reason I love jazz.

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dead on. for more examples of what goes by "jazz" these days:

Takuya Kuroda - Rising Son : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mUymaxWmMw

Hiatus Kaiyote - The World It Softly Lulls : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqzFgkkQXWw

Kamasi Washington - Changing of the Guard : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtQRBzSN9Vw

Snarky Puppy - Don't You Know : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqY3FaZmh-Y

Thundercat - Them Changes : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNCd_ERZvZM

Jordan Rakei - Talk to Me : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkvdRNi7qQE

Flying Lotus - MmmHmm : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uCyv05SG1g

None of these tunes could have been made any time before 2010, and all are clearly jazz (or at least heavily inspired by Jazz). With R&B, (Neo-)Soul, and other jazz forms re-emerging in pop music, Jazz remains the source of much of modern musical innovation.

Nice list. Here are a few additions

Tigran Hamasyan - To Love: https://youtu.be/jPwUe8SFOow

Hiromi Uehara - Warrior: https://youtu.be/Xy8__IvtMOs

Kneebody and Daedelus - Drum Battle: https://youtu.be/LKq0Kv7GlgU

i like the songs, but to me it still looks like there is no innovation going on there. Just repackaging of old themes using new (digital) instruments. I think nothing comes close to Alan Holdsworth in terms of innovation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXSd-WyrtfA
different senses of innovation /shrug

for stuff in the more progressive vein, check out:

Jaga Jazzist : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVIFUQV20NM or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws25EyTGdTg

Jacob Collier - P.Y.T. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNxq6Q4v1w

more Hiatus Kaiyote : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-e6-jjbrs0 or

more Snarky Puppy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_XJ_s5IsQc

I just listened to the first song, and it doesn't seem that new: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZvAsVj4IJg
well maybe listen to more than one ;D

I included that one as an example of how artists are merging instrumental hip hop back in with Jazz; there's plenty of other styles of Jazz in the list! You're right that a global statement of "couldn't have been made before 2010" for the whole list was a bit over the top.

That's an excellent playlist there, thank you.
I love that quote. Interestingly, when I think of Miles Davis, subconsciously my internal memory goes to 'Tutu'. I can't say that I understand it or even enjoy it, but I would definitely describe it as art as it invokes something in me. As a child of the 80s, I get it in a very personal way that is different than what I get when listening to 'Kind of Blue'.