[tnuoccapass]

“What stops us from looking at ourselves and seeing ourselves is that we’re kind of ugly, if we really, if we look really hard,” Mr. Murray replied. “We’re not who we think we are. We’re not, uh we’re not as wonderful as we think we are.”

Classic example of an ugly person who has limited awareness of the fact that he is an individual who is individual from other people.

[oldmanjay]

Bill Murray has a legitimate problem most of us can't even imagine. He is a living legend. Every interaction he has is burdened by outsized expectations he cannot control. Where you deride, I feel only sympathy.

[bogomipz]

Living legend is a meaningless oxymoron. He's a successful actor, full stop. He has made lots of movies, some good some complete crap. What "legitimate problem" does he have? Shallow "meme culture" has built him up just as they have done with Betty White, Chuck Norris and bacon. He seems to be a individual who cherishes his privacy and shuns celebrity culture and for this mainstream media brands him "an enigma." This "living legend" BS is also a very recent phenomenon, there was a good 10 to 12 year period between say "Groundhog Day" and "Lost in Translation"that nobody talked about him at all.

[abritinthebay]

Murray was a legend before meme culture was a thing. Before all of those you listed.

Your youth is showing.

[bogomipz]

My youth? I am old enough that I saw both Ghostbusters and Caddyshack as a kid in the theater when they were new movies. As such your comment or attempt at snark is quite laughable. I've been an avid Bill Murray fan for I guess most of my life now. He was not a legend back then, he had modest success post SNL with those movies and a long string of flops and was actually considered "washed up" for quite some time. So no, the whole "living legend" thing started around the time that Sophia Coppola cast him in "Lost in Translation" and introduced him to a new generation of kids. This phenomenon is particularly amusing to Murray fans in my age group.

Your lack of facts is showing.

[abritinthebay]

"modest success"

Yes, because Caddyshack, Stripes, and Tootsie were small, modestly successful, movies that only a few people have heard of.

I mean it's not like Ghostbusters was one of the most successful comedy movies of all time.

It's not like Groundhog Day from 1993 was was added to the United States National Film Registry as being deemed "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" or anything.

No, clearly he just had "modest" success in just those 13 years post-SNL. I mean we'd better not even mention his award winning turns in movies starting the late 90s had we?

Yikes, I take it back - it's not your youth, it's your smug ignorance that's showing.

[bogomipz]

You should learn to read better, what I said was "he had modest success post SNL with those movies and a long string of flops" and the "those movies" are referred to are Ghohsbusters, Caddyshack et al, the ones he did right after SNL. There is 10 year period of flops between "Ground Hog Day" and "Lost in Translation." I also stated that. Notice you didn't mention a single movie from that 10 year period? Exactly.

There was nothing smug about either of my replies. There is also nothing ignorant about replies and I'm well aware of his career arc. I'm not even sure what point is but it sounds like you might be upset because I called you out on your presumptuous comment. Grow up.

[jackmott]

I got lost in the levels of indirection there. Can you flatten that out?

[dpark]

I read it as "Bill Murray is ugly but doesn't realize that he's not like everyone else" (who presumably are not ugly).

I also read it as a comment from someone unable to be self-critical. When Bill Murray says we're uglier than we think, I assume he doesn't mean that we're all secretly terrible people, but that our flaws are worse than we want to admit to ourselves, that honest introspection hurts because it means confronting those flaws we spent so much time downplaying and ignoring. I'm sure Bill Murray's flaws are not the same as mine or anyone else's, but I'm pretty sure most people have flaws they are unhappy about.

[danem]

I think they are saying "speak for yourself".

[cholantesh]

Probably, but nobody will ever believe them.

[xyzzy4]

I'm sure you are making a point but I don't have enough reading comprehension to understand it.

[jnicholasp]

Nobody does. It's ripe for submission to a literary theory journal.