[pfisch]

I don't know what you mean when you say polished. OSX is like a skin deep gui for unix. Tell me how you disable your second monitor in OSX using the gui. It was impossible to do this around 2 years ago when I tried, it probably still is.

They seem to intentionally sabotage the wire that connects the harddrive to the board on macbook pros in order to force you to upgrade.

Also idk what you mean about build quality though because people build their own PCs. Our macs seem to break faster and more frequently than the PCs we build.

edit: It is also super fun trying to get a macbook to output both sound and video onto a tv.

[coldtea]

>* Tell me how you disable your second monitor in OSX using the gui. It was impossible to do this around 2 years ago when I tried, it probably still is.*

By going to the Preferences -> Display?

>It is also super fun trying to get a macbook to output both sound and video onto a tv

Never had any issue with it, with 2 TV models, a projector, 2 Macs (Air, MBPr) -- using HDMI in all.

[spronkey]

Apple thinks my Dell U2410s are TVs when connected over HDMI, and uses YPbPr colour space, and some weird stuff because of it. There's no way to tell the OS that it's a monitor without using an EDID override, which is now extremely difficult to do because of the system file protection in 10.11. Pain. In. The. Behind.

Don't even get me started on the couple of years when you couldn't even really use a second monitor after Lion. Dear god.

[matwood]

Use display port instead? OSX is not great with multi-monitor, but it has come a long way. I have 2 monitors hooked up to my 2014 mbp using display port and they work fine.

[spronkey]

Yeah, I would - but I need dual external monitors and thunderbolt at the same time - forced to use the HDMI for one or buy a daisy chaining display. Sigh.

[freehunter]

Take a look at Windows 8 with the Modern interface. Then dive into the settings. It very quickly kicks you out of the Modern interface to do some operations, even on the ARM tablet that didn't official have a desktop. Even if you're on a touchscreen, it makes you tap tiny radio buttons. At least OS X has a consistent user interface.

Funny you mention building your own, I got my first Mac when I got fed up with building and maintaining my own PC. I bought some new RAM and plugged it in, and suddenly it stopped booting. I put the old RAM back in, and it wouldn't boot with the old RAM either. This was the straw that broke the camel's back, after I had gotten fed up with rebooting every week for updates, overheating issues that had been starting to pop up, and how ridiculously loud the fans were for a not-that-good desktop. I was looking at a Surface, but plenty of people are like "oh it's great, but there are some driver issues". It's a first-party machine. There should be no driver issues. Zero.

I bought a Macbook that same day. Everything I was complaining about sounds completely normal to a PC enthusiast. "Of course you're getting overheating, just put more fans in." "Of course the fans are loud, put in more, bigger, slower fans." "Just disable automatic updates and reboot when it's convenient." "Just replace the motherboard."

It's completely asinine. If my car needed that much constant maintenance I'd call it a lemon and demand my money back. I have work to do, and it doesn't involve building a computer to do it.

[matwood]

You've been downvoted, but the underlying theme of your comment is that most of the time OSX on a MBP for example, just works. Is is perfect? No. But, no Windows laptop I ever used prior to my MBP operated with fewer issues. Linux on a laptop was a joke. Maybe both have improved substantially, but instead of waiting I moved on to get work done.

[Neeek]

I always assume the build quality statement refers exclusively to their macbooks, and even that is less a statement about apple vs windows as it is apple vs every other hardware manufacturer. I'd just like a laptop that still has working hinges after a year of use; I'm looking at you HP...

[johncolanduoni]

> They seem to intentionally sabotage the wire that connects the harddrive to the board on macbook pros in order to force you to upgrade.

You mean to prevent you from changing it? Recent MacBooks don't have SATA (instead opting for SSD chips straight on the board with NVMe), but I had one of the last models with a magnetic drive option and I put in a standard SATA SSD with no problem.

[freehunter]

Comments like that are typical from people who have a career repairing or building PCs, I know quite a few desktop support guys who are of the opinion that if you didn't build it yourself, the company you bought it from sabotaged something. Only home built computers can be trusted to be reliable.

The problem is, in their line of work they only ever see the broken computers. So it kind of taints their view point.