[millamox]

I strongly disagree. it would have been useful f they'd stuck to problems without well-known solutions.

Sadly, they also mixed in issues which are easily solved, or in a particularly egregious case, where they just complain about a bug. As though MySQL never had a bug. That was silly.

My read of it was: Postgres annoyed us a few times, and we got fed up with its, so now something different will annoy us. Please look forward to our blog post in 4 years about how we're using X instead of MySQL/Schemaless because those were also imperfect.

[tracker1]

I got a similar impression... though with Uber's scale, funding and resources, they probably could have worked with and through their issues with Postgres. I'm actually surprised they didn't take a multi-pronged approach to their issues. Since they're using Schemaless, I'm curious why they didn't go for one of the many non-sql databases that may well be a much closer match to their use case.

It seems to me that Cassandra (C*) may have been a better match to their needs... yes it means more administrative and application tuning, but would definitely scale to meet their needs. RethinkDB would also likely be a better match to what they are wanting to do.

That said, I've been holding out for some time on PostgreSQL's in the box replication story to take root and mature. There are definitely more mature features and solutions to sharding and replication around MySQL, I just tend to find MySQL to be brittle and every time I've ever worked with it, I have at least a half dozen WTF moments... from binary data handling/indexing, foreign key syntax, ANSI out of spec, and others. PostgreSQL has some great features, and once the replication issues settle in, it will become the default choice for a lot of projects in a lot of organizations. Though, mySQL/maria and even MS-SQL are currently better options for many SQL use cases.

[busterarm]

I'll preface what I'm about to say with "I have never worked for Uber and I don't know terribly much about their internal structure", but from my interviews with Uber and a few of their hires I know, it seems that they tend towards hiring totally independent teams from the existing staff when tackling big projects...including hiring an outsider manager to hire a whole team. I won't speculate as to the reasons for this publicly but I've drawn some interesting conclusions from this.

A multi-pronged approach that might involve multiple stakeholders just doesn't seem like their way of doing things.

[chucky_z]

What replication issues are you referring too? I never once had a problem with pgsql's replication across 8.1->9.5.

It would randomly die, but that was always either my fault or the applications fault, never pgsql itself.

The lack of master-master seems to be the big thing everyone mentions, but PostgresXL is currently in a usable-in-production state.

[tracker1]

But, what is the current replication setup that comes with postgres that is well documented with the PostgreSQL (current-version) documentation... the past, when I've looked there's mention of 2-3 solutions (none in-the-box) and others that require at least a 5-figure support contract.

Compare to MongoDB, RethinkDB, MS-SQL and others where the tooling for replication comes in the box. Yes, to of the examples are "no-sql" but even the mysql replication is in the box and supported as such.

[chucky_z]

Did you read this?

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/high-availabi...

I'm not sure what more you can ask from documentation.

Does MySQL document Vitess, Galera, MaxScale, etc...?

[serge2k]

> though with Uber's scale, funding and resources, they probably could have worked with and through their issues with Postgres

Then they wouldn't get to build cool new stuff and write blog posts about how they had to build cool new stuff because OMG UBER SCALE.

[thinkingkong]

The issue is all solutions are imperfect. You just make tradeoffs and shuffle the problems around.

Doing so deliberately is whats commendable.

[swasheck]

thank you for more accurately stating what i was trying to say earlier.

[stephengillie]

Almost all problems are already solved. "Solving" a problem today is mostly ego-stroking.

[GuiA]

Sweet, I have a few PhD thesis and NSF grant proposals I'd like your help on.

[stephengillie]

I'd love to help stroke your ego, but I see you're busy doing it yourself.