[kiiski]

> Spacemacs takes so long to load that it's laughable.

Emacs is typically started once, and then you open files in the same instance. With vanilla emacs you can use `emacs --daemon` to start it as a server, and then use `emacsclient` to open files. That way it should open pretty much instantly. I'm not sure what Spacemacs calls those.

[groovy2shoes]

Yes, I'm aware. The thing is, I haven't had any issues with vanilla emacs's startup time in over a decade. That's probably because I don't load hundreds of packages I don't need in my init.el. Spacemacs, on the other hand...

EDIT: Furthermore, I really don't see how a Vim user is supposed to consider that an improvement. I can't picture someone saying, "I used to just run my editor when I needed it, and it started instantaneously. Now, it takes so long to start that I just leave it running all the time. It's so much better! Powerline! YEAH!!"

If people like Spacemacs, that's fine, I don't care. Use what you want. But I'm really getting sick of hearing that it's "a better Vim", because it's really, really not. In fact, it's so much not-Vim that whenever I use emacs, I prefer vanilla emacs, even though I've been using Vim for over a decade.

[curiousdude99]

emacs runs instantly when using emacsclient to connect to emacs daemond