[evoltix]

True. But it does no good if management is dismissive. But that's another problem outside of the topic of estimating.

> And the best thing is if they then get 'their 10x code slinger' who does it indeed very fast, sends the code back to you and you are stuck with something akin to a broken toilet with diarrhea coming out the sides

A grim picture to think about but I find this to be true a lot of the time.