[amavisca]

I think Redux and React-Router are very opinionated and distract people new to React from React itself.

My workflow for ramping someone up on React and eventually Redux looked like:

- A single React component with React.createClass

- ES6 class React components

- Add a component hierarchy and treat the top level component's state as the entire app state - pass down callbacks to update state. Look how this becomes harder to scale as we get more depth in our component hierarchy!

- Redux without the redux-react bindings. Also stateless function components.

[seangrogg]

I agree. That's why I would put them behind flags. Even though most of my own projects wind up using them, I tend to start from a clean slate and apply things only as they become relevant.