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by CatsoCatsoCatso 3627 days ago
>Terrorists killed a handful of people

234 people dying from terror attacks in France in the last 18 months is not a handful. Don't just dismiss their deaths so heartlessly as a "handful".

Shame on you.

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3788 deaths in France in 2014 by road accidents alone. We're not going to dismiss fundamental rights for those, aren't we? I wish people would put things more into perspective.

I personally fear state powers much more than terrorism.

Realistically it's an average air crash. At the scale of a population like France it is almost meaningless. Drowning kills several orders of magnitude more. I don't see calls for changing the constitution to reduce the number of drownings.

Or suicidal airline pilots...

But it's one airplane crash too many. I don't understand your point. We shouldn't care?
Not to answer for the parent but IMHO it's not so much we shouldn't care. It's we should be very careful about what rights and freedoms we give up and how much power we give to a state to scrutinize our daily lives when the very thing we are trying to prevent has not had a major impact on our daily lives.

Yes, it had a major impact on some people and their families and their pain is not to be dismissed lightly but on the other hand we should not give up our way of life to prevent these things from happening, especially when evidence supports that the new laws that are written after these events seem to do very little to actually further protect us.

While a little sensational I think the graphic in this article concerning the TSA in the US does a pretty decent job of summing up exactly what we've gotten from "enhanced" security in the US.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120405/04390118385/tsa-s...

Every homicide or rape is shocking, unacceptable, and one too many. Eliminating crime completely can be achieved at the expense of living in a totalitarian society. So there has to be a balance between the emotion aspect of every crime and keeping society free.

Medias usually have this balance in mind when they cover common crime. This balance goes totally out of the door when it is terrorism.

Do you ban airplanes? Or the taxis that get people to the airport? Or apps that tell people when flights are scheduled?

Right, of course not.

It's not that you shouldn't care, it's that you should care in proportion to the seriousness. 234 death is fifteen days of 2014's driving fatalities.

Why do you hate the children so much that you don't care to save them except from movie-plot deaths?

Typical Liberal broadsided thinking, We can't change the constitution just because terrorists are killing a marginal amount of people but we should change the constitution to ban guns because mass shootings are killing a marginal amount of people.
if you succumb to the fear of terrorism, then they've already won over you. its manipulation tool to change public into irrational/outright stupid decisions, with impossible promise of more safety in exchange for more control from state.

plus in french example, probably motivating some local young unhappy psychopats in muslim communities to help "with the cause" described above. goal? maybe civil war in france? more budget from saudi elites on jihad? don't know here.

if you look at all these acts through this logic, they don't look that bad, and they are truly a drop in the ocean of civilization of 7 billion. last year, in africa alone, 400,000 people died just from malaria, which is a lousy way to die just because you are poor. i don't see much emotions about these topics, yet numbers are shocking, every single time.

So how many more should be killed by religious extremist to make it handful for you?
Te bus driver was not a zealot. He was a non-practicing, angry individual who found a convenient cause(or was it the 'news' and ISIS, ex post facto?) to justify his sickness/actions.

Edit: In addition, feel free to review another popular construct the FBI created soon after 9-11 to fan the flames of 'Fear Theater' by this 'extremist' group... a couple street thugs who had no potency beyond an FBI agent and promises of guns & bombs. How many trials did it take to convict some of them? Fear Theater works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_City_7