[olmo]

Of course it is! to start with, it looks like SVG, but also you only have to provide the state that you want and React adds and removes what is necessary, while in D3 you need to use `enter` and `exit` imperatively.

I'm just concerned about speed. Diffing works ok for forms but charts with 1000s of elements... let's see.

As someone who has worked with D3 and React a lot, D4 makes a lot of sense.

And the name is great!

[andrewstuart2]

enter() and exit() are declarative. You're not causing anything at all to happen, but rather declaring what should happen, in the form of a function, when new data is found or data becomes stale.

[lhnz]

Declaring 'what' structure should exist

- vs -

Declaring 'how' this structure is created

[olmo]

D3 is more declarative than jQuery, but not so much as React.

selection.enter().append("div").attr("class", "bar") .style("height", function(d){ return d + "px"; }) .style(“margin-top”, function(d){ return (100 — d) + "px"; });

enter is not imperative, but what you write just afterwards is.

[noobermin]

It sounds like the difference is just syntactical. Is this true? I have no experience with react, so I wouldn't know.

[morgante]

The problem is that calling a function called "enter" does not feel like writing declarative code.

It's an active verb and seems to imply an imperative style. Except it's actually declarative. The problem with d3 is that it takes a declarative system and gives it an imperative-looking API.

[krebby]

I think you're reading it wrong. `enter` isn't imperative. You're asking for the `enter` selection, which is the list of entering nodes. Same thing with `exit`. Calling either of those methods doesn't actually alter any data

[morgante]

I know enter isn't actually imperative. That's the problem: it looks like it should be.

If I write "node.enter()" it definitely looks like I'm making the node is being made to enter if you aren't well-versed in d3.

[jdmichal]

And SQL `SELECT` statements looks like I'm actively selecting something, when in reality I'm declaring what bits of the table I want returned... All syntax looks opaque until you understand the underlying concepts.

[morgante]

Uh, a SQL SELECT statement is actively selecting something. You're selecting what you want to return. Terrible example.

The problem with "enter" is that nothing will happen if you simply use enter by itself. Yet it's an active verb which seems to imply that something will be made to enter.