[AnonymousPlanet]

> The EU is a world-historical experiment in social democracy - free markets + state regulation + the welfare state. The consensus is that this system represents the current pinnacle of political evolution.

Where does the EU provide the means for a welfare state? Do jobless people get money from the EU? Any country can handle its own version of welfare state. There is no mandate from the EU.

The perception is usually actually the other way round: many people think the EU caters too much to the multinationals and bends over backwards to let the "turbo capitalists" have their way with the little people. At least that is what I hear from pretty much everyone I know in the south of Europe, the left in France and Germany, and UKIP supporters in the UK (think of the TTIP discussions). So which is it now? A socialist welfare state or bureaucrats pleasing bankers and corporations?

[gambiting]

It's the "quantum immigrant" problem - where simultaneously immigrants steal all jobs and at the same time sit at home and claim all the benefits.

[objectivistbrit]

I should have been clearer: every country in the EU has a welfare state, and since the more fiscally responsible countries bankroll the less responsible, they're indirectly supporting welfare recipients in those countries. Plus direct support via the EU's many handout programmes (CAP, etc).

In absolute terms, the amounts involved aren't huge right now, but this is a problem that will grow worse with time as a) most European countries have aging populations and face a pensions timebomb and b ) cutting welfare spending is politically very difficult.

Some voices in the EU have been pushing for a welfare and pensions union. It's impossible to predict if this will actually happen, but it shows that many people want to head in that direction.

The EU is indeed more pro-market than many member nations. This is where the left/right axis just confuses the debate. 'Market-friendly social democracy' is the most accurate term for the system promoted by the EU (and the linked NYT article, and most educated elites): a system with 1) free enterprise 2) state regulation of industry 3) state management of the economy and currency and 4) a welfare state.

It's a compromise system which appears capitalistic (and is denounced as neoliberal) but the underlying theory is socialist (a descendant of the gradualist theories promoted by most anti-communist socialists of past generations). History will tell whether it's sustainable.