[jonknee]

I thought we were talking about her handling of classified information?

Regardless, for better or worse Saudi Arabia is a US ally and we have a pretty long track record of selling arms to our allies. We sold the Saudis arms before HRC was in the State Department and we have continued to sell them arms after she left.

[adamnemecek]

We are talking about her character. She does not fundamentally care about anyone's interests besides her own.

SA is an US ally maybe on paper. Remind me, from what country were most of the 9/11 hijackers? Do you think that this is a coincidence?

[geofft]

This conspiracy theory is getting pretty involved. Let me see if I can keep track:

* Although Saudi Arabia is widely believed to be a US ally, and the US government reports that they are, it is well-known among the cabinet that they are not.

* It is further well-known among the cabinet that they are such bad allies that they as a state were responsible for the greatest act of war on US soil since Pearl Harbor.

* Hillary Clinton is so corrupt that she will use her office to sell warplanes to a country whose relationship with the US is in truth the same as Japan's in the early 1940s, and in appearance a friend.

* Somehow, despite being known to Clinton, this information is lost on the previous and future Secretaries of State, who sell warplanes to this country because they are deceived by the pretense that they are allies.

* However, it is not lost on the general public, because you have figured it out.

* Clinton entered office with the intention to be corrupt, and chose to use a private email server to hide all of her emails from the rest of the government.

* As part of that, she told the rest of her government to email her private email server, and never set up a state.gov email address.

* However, she failed to remember that records of donations to the Clinton Foundation were public, and records of who the US sells military aircraft to are also public, thereby allowing a newspaper to notice the deals via public data and not via her email records.

So, we have to imagine not only that she's corrupt, but that she is a traitor of the highest order (she's supporting a country that's secretly at war with her own) and also a complete idiot, and also that the previous and next Secretaries of State are complete idiots in a different way (but in the same way as each other). That's a much larger charge than "she has bad character".

[adamnemecek]

> Although Saudi Arabia is widely believed to be a US ally, and the US government reports that they are, it is well-known among the cabinet that they are not.

Do you know what Wahhabism is? Do you know who's the biggest financial supporter of Wahhabism in the Middle East?

> It is further well-known among the cabinet that they are such bad allies that they as a state were responsible for the greatest act of war on US soil since Pearl Harbor.

Responsibility takes many forms. But yes, they are at least partially responsible. Google around.

> Hillary Clinton is so corrupt that she will use her office to sell warplanes to a country whose relationship with the US is in truth the same as Japan's in the early 1940s, and in appearance a friend.

It's the same mind set as say BP.

> Somehow, despite being known to Clinton, this information is lost on the previous and future Secretaries of State, who sell warplanes to this country because they are deceived by the pretense that they are allies.

The situation wasn't always like this. Furthermore, if you can provide some data on what weapons were exactly sold under the previous heads of state, that would be useful.

* However, it is not lost on the general public, because you have figured it out.

Google around. All of the things I'm saying were reported in reputable news sources.

* Clinton entered office with the intention to be corrupt, and chose to use a private email server to hide all of her emails from the rest of the government.

Well, she's been in politics for a while and she wasn't exactly not corrupt for most of her career so she didn't "enter" the office with the intention. She was always corrupt.

* As part of that, she told the rest of her government to email her private email server, and never set up a state.gov email address.

Idk how this is related? The rest of her gov't would use whatever email she provided them with?

* However, she failed to remember that records of donations to the Clinton Foundation were public, and records of who the US sells military aircraft to are also public, thereby allowing a newspaper to notice the deals via public data and not via her email records.

No, she's counting on the public not paying attention. Same as with Wall street speeches. Has she released those yet btw? It's a rhetorical question.

> So, we have to imagine not only that she's corrupt, but that she is a traitor of the highest order (she's supporting a country that's secretly at war with her own) and also a complete idiot, and also that the previous and next Secretaries of State are complete idiots in a different way (but in the same way as each other). That's a much larger charge than "she has bad character".

I think that traitor's motivation is causing damage. Her motivation is self-interest and she doesn't care about the means.

[sachingulaya]

I can't comment on Hillary's character other than she seemed cold when I met her. I do have to say though that oftentimes there are larger strategic decisions to be made. "The united states has no permanent allies or enemies--only interests."