[stcredzero]

Because if so, that's a terrible way to debug.

If you're in a codebase composed largely of side-effect free functions or well encapsulated Object Oriented code, it's a very good way to debug. I had great success with such debugging and even coding and new development in Smalltalk environments for over a decade.

On the other hand, if your codebase is full of side effects and doesn't have good encapsulation (perhaps there's a lot of fiddling with globals) then you're going to have a bad time. But to me this isn't because the debugging method is bad. To me, it's because your codebase is designed with lots of tight coupling and side effects. You have an architecture that makes it harder to reason, debug, and refactor your code. This isn't just spouting. I'm basing this on many years of experience. And yes, I saw both kinds of Smalltalk code, and the effect is exactly as I described. Guess which codebases were more productive?

[jbverschoor]

I loved developing in eclipse with hot code reload. 0-second changes + debugging all in one.

[stcredzero]

Eclipse basically started out as a port of the VisualAge for Smalltalk environment to Java.

[pjmlp]

And they still keep a very tiny bit of it on the "Java Browser" perspective, which is basically the standard way Smalltalk presents the code navigation.

[grandinj]

That port was horrible. It was only when they dumped the smalltalk codebase and started again that it became useful.

[stcredzero]

Pretty much par for the course for those days. Converting Smalltalk apps to Java ones usually yielded horrble Java apps, because Java was very immature, to be frank. While it was still VisualAge for Java, it was considered one of the best Java IDEs of the time.

[vitd]

Well, I have to use OpenGL for my development, and it's a giant state machine that works mainly via side-effects. It's notoriously frustrating to work with, but that's life. I realize not all code works that way, but I'd bet the majority of code does. So I stand by my statement that it's a terrible way to debug, maybe with the caveat "unless you can work with only pure code and no state."

[stcredzero]

Well, I have to use OpenGL for my development, and it's a giant state machine that works mainly via side-effects. It's notoriously frustrating to work with, but that's life. I realize not all code works that way, but I'd bet the majority of code does.

I suspect your sample is a bit skewed.

The Smalltalk class library wasn't stateless. It certainly wasn't pure. Really, code only has to be "pretty good" for such techniques to work well.