[drzaiusapelord]

So in other words no rocket and no lander, but will be in the air in 18 months? Pardon my skepticism, but I think you're buying into "Elon Musk Time" which promises x but comes out y or never.

SpaceX is impressive, but I think its fandom is out of control. Repeating marketing and PR pieces to me isn't convincing. I wish them the best of luck but a 2018 launch isn't happening. I'd be surprised if any of this happens before 2022-2025.

[greglindahl]

This is a pretty extreme response to someone who said that "SpaceX might launch a Mars lander during the 2018 low energy window".